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First post, by athlon-power

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The last time I made a post regarding PSUs was a while back, but I now have a refreshed fear of the ones I've been using due to my new motherboard having set me back ~US$65 and the fact that I can't get another one for a very long time if this one goes.

They are Dell power supplies, ca. 2003. I use one for my Super Socket 7 machine, and one for the Slot 1 build. These seem to be good quality power supplies, and I have taken them apart (once with the SS7 one, twice now with the Slot 1 unit) to clean them and inspect the capacitors and such inside. They have box film capacitors in there, the internals look decent, and the voltages seem stable.

I recently got two brand new Cooler Master (generic black fans, they look exactly the same as the 90's ones I was using before) fans, and mounted them with anti-vibration rubber mounts to prevent me from having to deal with screwing the fans in, because the last time I tried that it went horribly wrong enough to spew tiny metal shavings everywhere from the screw's threads hitting the hole in the case- I'll sum that to being related to my incompetence in dealing with screwing fans in.

The anti-vibration mounts work great to attach the fans to the case, and I didn't spew particulate death (at least, for my computers) into my room while trying to mount the fans this time. The issue now is that this system is nearly silent without anything but the motherboard/case fans/cpu fan plugged in, and because I also have a brand-new Slot 1 cooler with a brand-new fan on it as well, I can hear that the PSU fan is making a small amount of noise (which I couldn't hear over the old fans that made tons of noise). It's nothing major, just a very rapid sort of vibrating/ticking sound, but it reminded me of just how old that PSU really is.

I have no way of really lubricating the fan, but I can replace it if need be- at the same time, it is now starting to bother me more than it has in a while: should I really trust PSU's that are 17 years old anymore? I have ran that PSU with my other Slot 1 board and random other Slot 1 configurations for, lord, I don't know how long, maybe a year? Maybe more? The motherboard reports decent voltages, with some straying but only in the .0-.5ish range, nothing amounting to 1v or higher. I've just become exceedingly paranoid about this sort of thing since I lost my SE440BX-2 to semi-unknown causes.

I can't really afford any new power supplies at the moment, but what new PSU's are worth looking at for old computers (i.e. a gray shell instead of a black shell, and a decent 5v rail), while still being relatively cheap (no more than US$45 or so)? Or am I okay just replacing the fan with a less noisy one and continuing on?

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Reply 1 of 5, by gdjacobs

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The protection circuitry on any decent PSU, even an older one, is usually pretty good at covering your hardware. Replacing your PSU fan (with a ball bearing unit) is never a bad option, but I wouldn't get in a panic if it's making some sound. Ball bearings are always a bit louder than sleeve. If it sets your mind at east, you can put a few drops of fine machine oil (sewing machine oil, for example) into the hub as insurance.

The only new ATX PSU I'm aware of that's decent and 5V heavy is the Startech ATXPower300. Newegg and Amazon appear to be out of stock, but Startech.com lists them at 72.99 Canadian Pesos.

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Reply 2 of 5, by athlon-power

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gdjacobs wrote on 2020-01-04, 03:32:

The protection circuitry on any decent PSU, even an older one, is usually pretty good at covering your hardware. Replacing your PSU fan (with a ball bearing unit) is never a bad option, but I wouldn't get in a panic if it's making some sound. Ball bearings are always a bit louder than sleeve. If it sets your mind at east, you can put a few drops of fine machine oil (sewing machine oil, for example) into the hub as insurance.

The only new ATX PSU I'm aware of that's decent and 5V heavy is the Startech ATXPower300. Newegg and Amazon appear to be out of stock, but Startech.com lists them at 72.99 Canadian Pesos.

After a while, I started to slow down and take a look at what was really going on.

My brand new case fans also started making that noise too- and oh, god, the brand new CPU fan was making that noise, it has to be the PSU somehow messing with the fans!

I took one of my newer ones apart, a Core i5 2500K with 8GB of RAM (only partially functional at the moment, when I get it working it will become a dedicated vintage CD burner/driver downloader/vintage PC troubleshooter), and the case fan on that one made the noise too! So did the CPU fan! Why is that one making noise?!

No. Turns out every fan I own makes this noise to some degree (probably due to them being ball bearing like you mentioned). The new fans were so quiet that they allowed me to hear it, whereas my old ones would go "vvVVOOOOO-" the moment I turned it on, masking the noise entirely. Even my main computer's fans make this noise, I have just always ignored it until now because I was hyper-sensitive of what was going on inside the computer due to paranoia.

Anyways, thank you for sharing information about the PSU, I will still try to grab it or a similar one later on as I slowly grow more paranoid of those power supplies over time.

I should mention that I recently ended up with a bunch of "blade oil," that came with an electric hair clipper, would that work to make the PSU fan a little less aggressive on the noise if it grows louder over time?

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Reply 3 of 5, by Horun

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Blade oil and Sewing Machine oil are both about the same. A very light weight, non-thickening machine oil. Either one would work great for lubing old fans with bearings. Use a pin or needle and get a micro drop on the tip and put it right where the sleeve and shaft are, you may have to remove a sticker to get to the back bearing. Be sure to cover up the back with tape or some stick-on when done to keep dust from getting into that part.

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Reply 4 of 5, by SirNickity

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I haven’t found any reason to mistrust 20-year old silicon, I just make it a point to replace caps and fans. If the caps are demonstrably good, I consider it as safe as a decent modern PSU and much safer than a modern crap PSU. Preferably you could test for ripple under load - but that’s a lot to ask someone who isn’t an electronics tech. Use a supply manufactured by a good OEM (I’m a Delta fan) and just accept that anything can fail at any time, and there’s nothing you can do about it. Enjoy it while you can.

Reply 5 of 5, by gdjacobs

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Delta, Zippy/Emacs, Etasis, Flextronics, Lite-On. All excellent (in my view). Often easy to find these used, but difficult to find them new.

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