The Serpent Rider wrote on 2020-01-17, 18:53:

Unless you put a PODP5V-133 in.

But at that point you're better off with a common Socket 7 board. Which is also much easier on your wallet this days, compared to average PODP prices.

I think in exactly the same way, the P60 is to be used original without overdrive. It would completely lose its charm.

Win98SE is wotking on a P60 with a pci usb card? Just for transferring files.

don't see why not, unless the card somehow requires a later PCI version, which supposedly can be an issue with SATA cards and such. be aware that the GUI will be rather slow on such a machine though so you might want to run win95 osr2 instead, where XUSBSUPP should do what NUSB does for 98se. still no usb mouse/kb support however.

Just build it, regardless what others say i`m sure you will enjoy it 😀

matze79 wrote on 2020-01-19, 12:32:

Just build it, regardless what others say i`m sure you will enjoy it 😀

i will do... tell ma about voodoo and this system (you have too), your experience. Because i not have a voodoo and find it is expensive, if it work bad...

AlessandroB wrote on 2020-01-18, 14:34:

Win98SE is wotking on a P60 with a pci usb card? Just for transferring files.

It will run, but ensure enough RAM. <32MB and you're going to have to be very patient. I decided against running Win98 or even Win95 on my P60 to keep it fast and snappy. Remember, this is a 1993 CPU - that's 6 years older than Win98SE. I found Win3.11 to be the sweet spot - which is unsurprising as that's a 1993 OS too.

As for the PCI USB card, forget Via and OPTi chipset cards, I'd expect a NEC chipset to work on a system like this, but not much else.

Tbh, I'd use an IDE-CF adapter to transfer files. Much easier, no old PCI vs USB hell, no Win98 vs USB hell - 'it just works'. Or use network, with FTP you can even share files with an XT.

Windows 95 OSR2 should be snappy enough with SSD.

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2020-01-19, 14:50:

Windows 95 OSR2 should be snappy enough with SSD.

i plain to use IBM hard disk, 7200 if i find one

I had a Socket 4 Pentium 60 system (without the FDIV bug), and it satisfied me. The CPU had a passive heatsink, so the PC (Compaq Presario CDS 762 with a CF card instead of an HDD) was very quiet overall.

AlessandroB wrote on 2020-01-19, 12:50:

i will do... tell ma about voodoo and this system (you have too), your experience. Because i not have a voodoo and find it is expensive, if it work bad...

Voodoo 1 is useless on a P60. Also, Voodoo 1 is useless without Win9x. You can definitely run Win95 on a P60, but it won't be a pleasant experience.

All in all, I would treat P60 as an easier alternative to DX4/5x86. No jumper hell (because there are only 2 CPUs to choose from), PS/2 support, EDO RAM support, built-in IDE and I/O. But it's still more of a 486-level system, meant for DOS/Win3.11.

i had a system with 5x86 and windows95 ran very well

jheronimus wrote on 2020-01-19, 19:43:

Voodoo 1 is useless on a P60. Also, Voodoo 1 is useless without Win9x. You can definitely run Win95 on a P60, but it won't be a pleasant experience.

its not useless, it hardly depends on which games are played.

Tomb Raider, Archimedian Dynasty, GTA1 (800x600) and few other MS-DOS Titles will work plenty.

But a Rush can be a better option because of full hw triangle setup, which offloads the CPU.
Which is also downside of rush, because at some point the cpu is faster then triangle hw. (newer machines..)

Consider it more a Option, a 3Dfx is not a must in a Setup, neither it is in a 486.

AlessandroB wrote on 2020-01-17, 17:18:

P60 in 1999 i think was a "little bit" slow for anything past 1996

I was still doing regular browsing of websites with an Am5x86-133 in 2003, including online banking. The internet was way different back then.

If the original posters goal is to build a system around the first Pentium, I think a socket 4 build is just fine, provided you use only Intel or SiS chipsets. You should be able to find a Batman's Revenge board for around $50 with some patience. For some versatility, you could [eventually] source a socket4 Pentium 133 overdrive. I personally use the P133 overdrive in my system along with a network card, SATA card, and Voodoo1.

If you want P60/66 system just get it. I wouldn't bother worrying about what everyone else thinks about them. As useful as any other cpu from the mid 90s. A lot of us were still using 486s in the late '90s.

AlessandroB wrote on 2020-01-18, 14:34:

Win98SE is wotking on a P60 with a pci usb card? Just for transferring files.

Some folk did weird things to suite their unquique requirements/circumstances.. It's not too hard to remove the GUI bloat from Win98.

Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-01-20, 05:31:

If you want P60/66 system just get it. I wouldn't bother worrying about what everyone else thinks about them. As useful as any other cpu from the mid 90s. A lot of us were still using 486s in the late '90s.

in fact I took it, I'm waiting for it to arrive, I took it before even opening the discussion. I just asked a few questions to talk about it, because there is very little about this class of cpu and I find that among enthusiasts the exchange of ideas and experiences is very nice.

feipoa wrote on 2020-01-19, 23:10:

AlessandroB wrote on 2020-01-17, 17:18:

P60 in 1999 i think was a "little bit" slow for anything past 1996

I was still doing regular browsing of websites with an Am5x86-133 in 2003, including online banking. The internet was way different back then.

If the original posters goal is to build a system around the first Pentium, I think a socket 4 build is just fine, provided you use only Intel or SiS chipsets. You should be able to find a Batman's Revenge board for around $50 with some patience. For some versatility, you could [eventually] source a socket4 Pentium 133 overdrive. I personally use the P133 overdrive in my system along with a network card, SATA card, and Voodoo1.

i think the one i found is UMC chipset system.

Which motherboard you ended up getting?

I found that vast majority of motherboards are either Intel made (Batman) or OEM (often Batman based). Other options are much less common.

Those 430LX boards based on reference design often have very little tuning potential (very few options in BIOS, soldered-in only 256kB cache). I also have ALi-based MB which in stock config is slower than Batman, but can be tuned to outperform it.

mpe wrote on 2020-01-20, 11:14:

Which motherboard you ended up getting?

I found that vast majority of motherboards are either Intel made (Batman) or OEM (often Batman based). Other options are much less common.

Those 430LX boards based on reference design often have very little tuning potential (very few options in BIOS, soldered-in only 256kB cache). I also have ALi-based MB which in stock config is slower than Batman, but can be tuned to outperform it.

Unlike the computers that I assembled in the 90s, I am not just looking for performance. For me, retrocomputing also needs other features, in particular I like having OEM machines from brands that have meant something in computer history. Olivetti and IBM were the chosen ones, then in the end for a design question I chose IBM computers.

This preface to say only that I looked for an IBM computer with Pentium60, which is very very very if not extremely, difficult to find It took me 2 years to find one. It's called IBM 350 (but there was also the 330 with less expansion slots) P60. There is also the "Value" series but aesthetically I like it much less.