RacoonRider wrote on 2020-02-17, 07:30:

Do you even need a floppy drive? Once you have your system installed and configured, it's pretty much useless.

It's more an authenticity/restoration goal.. At the very worst I can cover it with one of the many front bay covers I have lying about, but I'm sure I can get a floppy fitted there somehow, eventually.

Well - as late as January 29th, Windows 10 (or was it my 7-PC) asked me for drivers - default search was a:\ 🤣

Well I can help you designing that cage back by shooting photos of my PS/1's cage, pm me if you're interested (by the way, I won't have access to that computer before the end of the week)

appiah4 wrote on 2020-02-17, 07:24:

Oh yeah the 3.5" drive cage is missing, I asked the seller to check if he still has that lying about, otherwise I'll have to juryrig something there to affix a 3.5" floppy somehow. Not plasant and probably won't be pretty, but I can work something out, maybe even ask someone with some modelling skills to help me get something 3D Printed or something 🙁

IBM PS/1’S where the pinnacle of the 486 computer that IBM provided for the consumer.
After years of developing computers this PS/1 was there final glory build for the 486.
The Multimedia edition especially.
IBM put all it’s experience and knowledge into this build to make it easy for the consumer to operate.
It came with a nice menu system, tools and backups. And a Sound Blaster 16 with OPL3.
I have a few PS/1 from 1993 and 1994.
They are really good computers. Best OEM 486 computers from 1993/94 in my humble opinion.
Follow my thread:
IBM PS/1 Multimedia ( max restore ).

This one is in terrible shape however. If you can’t find all the brackets then just store it away.
It’s easier to find one complete in good shape.
You calls always sell it for parts.

On the ps/1 boards the spacing from the riser card is set further to the front than most other systems of this type, notice the forward set back plane casing, I have had this issue for years trying to find a case for my PS/1 386sx board, oddly that case you have there looks to be the exact type I need! Other similar cases from other manufacturers always has the spacing wrong, even later IBM LPX cases aren't set up the right way.

Deksor wrote on 2020-02-17, 08:36:

Well I can help you designing that cage back by shooting photos of my PS/1's cage, pm me if you're interested (by the way, I won't have access to that computer before the end of the week)

I would be MORE THAN HAPPY for any detailed photos of the thing, especially if you can send me photos next to a ruler or something! I will be PM'ing you.

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-02-17, 09:23:

This one is in terrible shape however. If you can’t find all the brackets then just store it away.
It’s easier to find one complete in good shape.
You calls always sell it for parts.

It's passable. It will look a lot better after a washdown and some magic eraser. The only things missing are the 3.5" cage and the spine that holds the riser card in place. I'm sure if I add some expansion cards like a sound card and a NIC the riser will be secure enough so my only concern is getting the 3.5" floppy secured. I'm pretty sure I can make this thing look pretty damn good after some effort.

BSA Starfire wrote on 2020-02-17, 09:32:

On the ps/1 boards the spacing from the riser card is set further to the front than most other systems of this type, notice the forward set back plane casing, I have had this issue for years trying to find a case for my PS/1 386sx board, oddly that case you have there looks to be the exact type I need! Other similar cases from other manufacturers always has the spacing wrong, even later IBM LPX cases aren't set up the right way.

Yes, some PS/1 cases appear to have risers that have slots facing only one way and they are apparently for narrower chassis. This one has expansion slots on either side, and seems to have a weird edge connector, not a normal ISA connector..

Brand-new old-stock PC speakers from Fujitsu-Siemens. Got them for 5 bucks. 😀

appiah4 wrote on 2020-02-17, 07:06:

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My real question here though, IBM stuff are notorious for being terribly proprietary and the PSU here is obviously not AT. How about the rest of the system? Can I just plug in an ISA Multi IO and assume everything will work on IDE? Have I made a dumb purchase?

Of course, this isn't an AT case but an LPX one. Tbh by IBM standards this stuff isn't too bad. I have an IBM PS/1 motherboard, slightly newer than this one. PSU is plain AT, tbh this one also looks like that. It has regular I/O onboard including IDE. The only non-standard bit is the exact location of the riser slot, which means that it doesn't fit into a case designed for an Intel OEM LPX board. You probably don't even need that I/O card.

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-02-17, 09:23:

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IBM PS/1’S where the pinnacle of the 486 computer that IBM provided for the consumer.
After years of developing computers this PS/1 was there final glory build for the 486.
The Multimedia edition especially.
IBM put all it’s experience and knowledge into this build to make it easy for the consumer to operate.

NOFI but what on earth have you been smoking?

PS/1 were overpriced, underspecced, outclassed by pretty much all the contemporary clones and much ridiculed for it by enthousiasts and in the media at the time. The "easy" menu system was a big part of that, second only to MS Bob in terms of klunky unusability.

Even from IBM the PS/1 wasn't in any way the pinnacle, you could argue whether the later PS/2 486 models were better or the early PC330 series. In any event, compared to both PS/1 was low-end crap, and in no way superior to say a contemporary Packard Bell that cost far less and did a better job of idiot-proofing the experience.

dionb wrote on 2020-02-17, 12:45:

appiah4 wrote on 2020-02-17, 07:06:

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My real question here though, IBM stuff are notorious for being terribly proprietary and the PSU here is obviously not AT. How about the rest of the system? Can I just plug in an ISA Multi IO and assume everything will work on IDE? Have I made a dumb purchase?

Of course, this isn't an AT case but an LPX one. Tbh by IBM standards this stuff isn't too bad. I have an IBM PS/1 motherboard, slightly newer than this one. PSU is plain AT, tbh this one also looks like that. It has regular I/O onboard including IDE. The only non-standard bit is the exact location of the riser slot, which means that it doesn't fit into a case designed for an Intel OEM (i.e. Packard Bell etc) LPX board. You probably don't even need that I/O card.

Yeah, from what I can tell it is a Model 2168 of some sort. Motherboard jumper settings on Stason has some weird PSU connectors apart from the AT connector, but I'm not sure if these are actually used or not. Regardless, if I can just find a way to mount a 3.5" floppy drive on there, it will be a swell system.

appiah4 wrote on 2020-02-17, 12:50:

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Yeah, from what I can tell it is a Model 2168 of some sort. Motherboard jumper settings on Statson has some weird PSU connectors apart from the AT connector, but I'm not sure if these are actually used or not. Regardless, if I can just find a way to mount a 3.5" floppy drive on there, it will be a swell system.

Definitely not 2168, that's a tower model. Possibly the board was also used in towers, but this would be more like a 2133. The number refers to case, not to the motherboard, which could vary a lot. There are 2168s with early 486 but also later ones with Pentium (my mother had one with a P90).

Anyway, if it turns out your motherboard is dead, give me a PM - I can't fit my board into anything else, so would happily donate.

dionb wrote on 2020-02-17, 12:57:

appiah4 wrote on 2020-02-17, 12:50:

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Yeah, from what I can tell it is a Model 2168 of some sort. Motherboard jumper settings on Statson has some weird PSU connectors apart from the AT connector, but I'm not sure if these are actually used or not. Regardless, if I can just find a way to mount a 3.5" floppy drive on there, it will be a swell system.

Definitely not 2168, that's a tower model. Possibly the board was also used in towers, but this would be more like a 2133. The number refers to case, not to the motherboard, which could vary a lot. There are 2168s with early 486 but also later ones with Pentium (my mother had one with a P90).

Interesting, from what I can tell this specific board (according to IBM Partner Database) was only used in types 2155 and 2168, and according to the same source 2168 is the tower and 2155 is the horizontal desktop.. So I guess this PC is a Type 2155. And according to the same information source it could be one of a handful configurations (52C, 50T, 48E, 55V) that shipped with a DX2-66, the fastest CPU available in the line. Regardless, every one of these configurations appear to have come with a combo 5.25/3.5 floppy drive on them, so maybe that 3.5" cage was never installed in this case?

Bought a ViewSonic VX2245wm that not only is a computer monitor, but it also serves as a USB hub, multi card reader, and iPod dock for syncing, charging, and playing music (and possibly videos to the monitor). Got it for $25 a few days ago.

In addition, I bought 4 DVI to VGA adapters for the price of 3 over the weekend.

Had a good trip to the flea market this sunday and got myself most of a complete retro PC - just €5 for a 430tx AT motherboard + 64MB of EDO + K6-2 300Mhz and a Diamond Monster 3D + Matrox Millenium €1 Each!

The voodoo card was in a shitty condition (Literally. Had to give it a good clean to get rid of the smell) and 2 capacitors were missing. Soldered them on today.

Munx wrote on 2020-02-17, 18:29:

Had a good trip to the flea market this sunday and got myself most of a complete retro PC - just €5 for a 430tx AT motherboard + […]
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Had a good trip to the flea market this sunday and got myself most of a complete retro PC - just €5 for a 430tx AT motherboard + 64MB of EDO + K6-2 300Mhz and a Diamond Monster 3D + Matrox Millenium €1 Each!
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The voodoo card was in a shitty condition (Literally. Had to give it a good clean to get rid of the smell) and 2 capacitors were missing. Soldered them on today.
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That is an excellent find! does it all work?

A couple of fans of different types and noise levels. All 40x40 mm. I have to lower the internal temperature of my Amiga600 machine.
That active fan I bought for my Furia is keeping the accelerator cold enough, yet the surplus heat inside the case needs to be removed.
And those 600's do not exactly have that much space inside them.

Scrap lot, seller pic.

Oh, it contains an ATI Mach64 VLB.

Hope that VLB card works. As a matter of fact, getting any VLB card at a decent price these days, are somewhat rare.

If it doesn't work, I'll make it work 🤣. But I have been pretty lucky with getting VLB cards lately for cheap. Just several months back I had been striking out.