Can't wait for this project. Awesome. Speaking of which, I think I have a box of, like, 20-30 AWE64's somewhere. That was back when they were a dime a dozen.

dogchainx wrote on 2020-05-29, 02:28:

Can't wait for this project. Awesome. Speaking of which, I think I have a box of, like, 20-30 AWE64's somewhere. That was back when they were a dime a dozen.

I'm in AWE . 😀

darry wrote on 2020-05-29, 02:42:

dogchainx wrote on 2020-05-29, 02:28:

Can't wait for this project. Awesome. Speaking of which, I think I have a box of, like, 20-30 AWE64's somewhere. That was back when they were a dime a dozen.

I'm in AWE . 😀

Ayyyy!!

Eagerly awaiting this!!!

hahahah this is starting to get some fun. next move wwf and new international laws protecting the awe64 value. replace a cap 100usd penalty. touching the wave rom with hot air life sentance penalty. you have been warned. really now vanila awe64 wont disappear for this project. and yes if the demand for a awe64 legacy is big you should really consider a 2nd 50 cards run

SquallStrife wrote on 2020-05-28, 23:51:

daikatana_ wrote on 2020-05-28, 23:40:

Yeah, I'm going to buy any AWE64 I'll come across to save them all.

That seems awfully spiteful, but you do you.

Edit: That being said... While I think hoarding any retro hardware is selfish and spiteful, I agree with hard1k that I'd rather they were hoarded than bought up by scrappers.

I wasn't serious of course. I don't want to spend my money on useless junk.

daikatana_ wrote on 2020-05-28, 22:47:

SquallStrife wrote on 2020-05-12, 23:53:

RoberMC wrote on 2020-05-12, 16:03:

Destroying original, never to be produced again, SB Awe 64 Value cards to build something so amateur and over-complicated, which offers so little improvement, if any, and it is not retro hardware anymore, over using 2 original retro sound cards in a true retro system, escapes my mind.

There are probably millions of these cards out there, and you're upset that a handful of them will be turned into improved versions of themselves? (Maxed out RAM, real OPL, intelligent MPU401, improved analogue stage)

Cry me a river!! 🤣

Would you destroy London, Rome or Prague just to turn these cities into an "improved version"?

I am also in the camp that does not appreciate destroying original CT4520s but this is the worst argument made for their preservation ao far.

dogchainx wrote on 2020-05-29, 02:28:

Can't wait for this project. Awesome. Speaking of which, I think I have a box of, like, 20-30 AWE64's somewhere. That was back when they were a dime a dozen.

I have like 6 myself..

count me in !!!!

daikatana_ wrote on 2020-05-28, 22:47:

Would you destroy London, Rome or Prague just to turn these cities into an "improved version"?

You know, someone once had these plans...

But I agree. I don't like seeing genuine AWE64 cards getting destroyed for this. The arguments why this is legit are lame. People cry when e.g. C64s are taken apart and the parts are sold individually, even though it's the home computer with the most units sold ever. People cry when scrappers destroy even non-special hardware and sell it for the pure worth of the material, and so on. But destroying sought-after AWE64 cards is okay - because someone decides there are plenty of them and they are of no worth anyway..? I guess if I plan to sell the new cards for 200 bucks each and not making the design open-source (so only I can make the money), I'd argue that way as well...

derSammler wrote on 2020-05-29, 08:57:

You know, someone once had these plans...

But I agree. I don't like seeing genuine AWE64 cards getting destroyed for this. The arguments why this is legit are lame. People cry when e.g. C64s are taken apart and the parts are sold individually, even though it's the home computer with the most units sold ever. People cry when scrappers destroy even non-special hardware and sell it for the pure worth of the material, and so on. But destroying sought-after AWE64 cards is okay - because someone decides there are plenty of them and they are of no worth anyway..? I guess if I plan to sell the new cards for 200 bucks each and not making the design open-source (so only I can make the money), I'd argue that way as well...

Personally, I'm not too sad about destroying AWE64 cards for this. Sure, there will be less of them around, but in their place there will be ones with real OPL3, MPU401 and maxed out RAM etc. They're not being scrapped for gold, or other raw materials either. Scrapping for raw materials does bother me somewhat, considering some old parts have become rarer as a result, but it's not the end of the world either. As for C64s being taken apart for parts, I don't get people crying about it either. If anything, it makes getting parts for them somewhat easier, since parts like SID chips or 6502 CPUs aren't really produced anymore AFAIK. Admittedly, I would have liked the project to be open source, but wouldn't that lead to even more AWE64s getting destroyed in the long run? Unless of course, someone made an FPGA reimplementation, but that would also cost one or two AWE64s to decapsulate their chips and study them for who knows how long.

derSammler wrote on 2020-05-29, 08:57:

But destroying sought-after AWE64 cards is okay -

The Value card is hardly "sought-after".

appiah4 wrote on 2020-05-29, 08:55:

dogchainx wrote on 2020-05-29, 02:28:

Can't wait for this project. Awesome. Speaking of which, I think I have a box of, like, 20-30 AWE64's somewhere. That was back when they were a dime a dozen.

I have like 6 myself..

I have a bunch myself as well. The only ones I bought to have were the AWE64 Gold! cards. All the others just came in lots with other stuff.

Really easy to end up with a bunch of CT4520 and some CT4500 cards without even trying.

cyclone3d wrote on 2020-06-01, 01:43:

I have a bunch myself as well. The only ones I bought to have were the AWE64 Gold! cards. All the others just came in lots with other stuff.

Really easy to end up with a bunch of CT4520 and some CT4500 cards without even trying.

Somehow I've managed to not find any AWE64s(I do have an AWE32 CT3910, though), but I'm swimming in SBLive! cards. Do these grow on trees or something? 🤣

TechieDude wrote on 2020-06-01, 16:00:

cyclone3d wrote on 2020-06-01, 01:43:

I have a bunch myself as well. The only ones I bought to have were the AWE64 Gold! cards. All the others just came in lots with other stuff.

Really easy to end up with a bunch of CT4520 and some CT4500 cards without even trying.

Somehow I've managed to not find any AWE64s(I do have an AWE32 CT3910, though), but I'm swimming in SBLive! cards. Do these grow on trees or something? 🤣

They are "live" after all . Maybe they're reproducing behind our backs 😀

darry wrote on 2020-06-01, 18:35:

They are "live" after all . Maybe they're reproducing behind our backs 😀

So that explains it

TechieDude wrote on 2020-06-01, 16:00:

cyclone3d wrote on 2020-06-01, 01:43:

I have a bunch myself as well. The only ones I bought to have were the AWE64 Gold! cards. All the others just came in lots with other stuff.

Really easy to end up with a bunch of CT4520 and some CT4500 cards without even trying.

Somehow I've managed to not find any AWE64s(I do have an AWE32 CT3910, though), but I'm swimming in SBLive! cards. Do these grow on trees or something? 🤣

I think Dell is still ordering those from Creative or something. Doesn't matter where I look for parts, there is always a Dell version of a Live there.

Rawit wrote on 2020-06-02, 07:00:

I think Dell is still ordering those from Creative or something. Doesn't matter where I look for parts, there is always a Dell version of a Live there.

I don't think they still do, but they certainly ordered a huge lot back in the day. Funnily enough, only one of my Live! cards is a Dell (also my first SBLive!), and even that is SB0220 (full EMU10K functionality) rather than the horribly crippled SB0200. I still don't recommend it for Win98 though, because most of them don't have CD Audio inputs, but that's besides the point

for dos sound awe64 and even better the awaited awe64 legacy for win32 games go aureal vortex 2. and you will never want to hear about sblive. and i have apollo pro 133a aureal is great

Rawit wrote on 2020-06-02, 07:00:

I think Dell is still ordering those from Creative or something. Doesn't matter where I look for parts, there is always a Dell version of a Live there.

Yeah, I go to the grocery store about once a week. Sometimes they are out of Mac&Cheese, but the Dell SBLive OEM shelf is always full.