Horun wrote on 2020-06-19, 02:20:A few years ago we had bad wildfires here and same claim, every month more CO2 was released from the burns than humans in the state did in a year. Not saying humans do not add to things but nature can and will do more damage quickly than man can do in week, months or years (unless we nuke the place). Just saying that many are mislead as to how natural occurances and man made occurances are both to blame IF you want believe the hype about global change.
Wildfires are usually the result of human activities, be it actual stupidity like lighting a fire in very dry conditions, or something as simple as a piece of glass working as a magnifying glass for sunlight causing dry leaves to start smouldering and evolve into a fire.
Furthermore, true natural disasters only occur once in a long while. Human-made disasters occur every day.
Horun wrote on 2020-06-19, 04:23:
luckybob wrote on 2020-06-19, 02:43:Humans are 95% the cause of the problem. Those that disagree, are mentally deficient and should go fuck themselves with a cactu […]
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Humans are 95% the cause of the problem. Those that disagree, are mentally deficient and should go fuck themselves with a cactus.
And just to preempt the usual rhetoric that follows, math and science don't care about your "feelings" or your "beliefs".
I mean honestly, what is the downside of "going green"? I happen to like clean and safe water and air. If you are a religious person, doesn't it say in the Bible we should be stewards of the earth?
You are a perfect example of the corporate brainwashing that I mentioned earlier.
Wow you are so wrong and know nothing about me. You are actually the same rhetoric that many others follow with out actually looking into the real history. Of course many today try to cover the fact that over a million years ago the CO2 and water vapor levels were near double what it is today
Did you know the maximum moisture in the atmosphere is linked to the atmosphere's temperature?
The Ozone hole closed itself and is cyclic based on NASA studies.
Oh really: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
"The main cause of ozone depletion and the ozone hole is manufactured chemicals, especially manufactured halocarbon refrigerants, solvents, propellants and foam-blowing agents (chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), HCFCs, halons), referred to as ozone-depleting substances (ODS)."
Please explain these things:
Deadly known Hurricanes in USA before Industrialization here:
Newfoundland August 29–September 9, 1 […]
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Please explain these things:
Deadly known Hurricanes in USA before Industrialization here:
Newfoundland August 29–September 9, 1775 North Carolina, Virginia, Newfoundland Deaths: 4,000 – 4,163
Pointe-a-Pitre Bay September 5, 1776 Deaths: 6,000+
The St. Lucia Hurricane of 1780 June 13, 1780 Puerto Rico St. Lucia Deaths: 4,000–5,000
Great Hurricane of 1780 October 9–20, 1780 Lesser Antilles, Puerto Rico, Hispaniola, Bermuda Deaths: 22,000–27,501
Central Atlantic hurricane September 16, 1782 destroyed Admiral Thomas Graves fleet 3,000+
Galveston August 27 – September 15, 1900 The Caribbean, Texas Deaths: 8,000–12,000\
Odd, there was no real industry here to alter the environment back then. If the USA was heavily populated like today the death toll could have been multidudes more..
That's because hurricanes and other storms are natural phenomenons in any atmosphere (see Jupiter and its mega-storms). However, there are more storms and more violent storms in warmer atmospheres because warmer atmospheres are more unstable (this is related to physics). Sudden changes in the atmosphere (where we define "sudden" as "occurs in a matter of decades" versus not so sudden being over hundreds if not thousands of years) lead to disruption of natural equilibrium and a temporary change of weather patterns. Guess what happens if that sudden change keeps escalating in the wrong direction?
Something similar to tipping over a bowl of mayonnaise. Beyond a certain point it falls over and the mayonnaise spills all over the place. Maybe the bowl also shatters. Results in a nice mess. The faster the tipping over happens, the smaller the chance that you can stop it.
Ok and please explain the Roman warming period of 250 BC to AD 400 and the mini-ice age of 1300-1700. Those are facts not fiction.
Science tells more than that too, if the some would allow real reporting of the facts instead of the slanted news we all would be better.
Science also explains those quite well, AFAIK. Please don't cherry-pick those facts you like so much.
Want to blame someone for pollution: blame China. India, Mexico. The US and Europe have done very well in controlling their pollution. Fact !
Er, no. Pollution is the US is basically a free-for-all, especially since your latest president basically destroyed many basic protections.
Europe is better, but still quite bad in general from a biological point of view.
If you look closer, you will find regions that have quite bad air and water quality (linked to intensive farming and heavy industry). If you look even closer, you'll find that most true nature in Europe doesn't exist anymore, it's almost all been heavily changed by agriculture in the last 10,000 years and biodiversity has considerably dropped all over the place, especially since the start of industrialisation about 200 years ago. And if you look at the local scale, you can find a lot of pollution everywhere, with only a few scattered hotspots that have decent biodiversity and little chemical pollution and little noise pollution and little light pollution (actually, any kind of pollution is inherently coupled to diminished biodiversity). Those hotspots aren't connected properly to each other (which we try to resolve with wildlife corridors, but really that's insufficient...), leading to fragmentation of habitats.
That's ecological and population science for you. Also facts. Not cherry-picked.