VOGONS


First post, by murrayman

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Check the sig for models - I can get pics as well. Trying to figure out if these two desktops of mine use small form-factor PSUs or if they have a proprietary configuration. It's really hard to tell since I've never previously owned a SFX PSU and can't cross-reference them to the ones in these computers very well to images online. I already know I'll need some ATX to AT adapters, but at 20+yrs old and no personal experience with power supply internal components, I'm ready to replace them for safety's sake.

P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech

Reply 1 of 10, by dionb

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

How about some pics of the PSUs in question?

SFX is a pretty new standard, I wouldn't reckon that old systems like this will have it.

"AOpen Custom PC" could be many things. A lot of AOpen uATX cases came with a long PSU, a tiny bit thinner than SFX but twice as long. But that's a full ATX motherboard, so without any further info I'd guess a normal ATX PSU, probably an AOpen-branded FSP model.
Compaq tended to use proprietary 24-pin PSUs or AT-like-but-different connectors around the P2 era.
Packard Bell "Multimedia" systems had totally different designs/models per market/country, so googling that "S610" gives me three different case types. However PB tended to be pretty standard when it came to PSUs and all the models are from the pre-ATX era, so I'd expect pretty generic AT PSUs in there.

Reply 2 of 10, by PC Hoarder Patrol

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

The Compaq / Mitac PSU (P/N 319235-001) is proprietary dimension-wise rather than standard SFX. Also seen mention (against ATX PSU testers) that it may not use standard ATX wiring either.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Compaq-Presario-49 … 1-/381681798611

Reply 3 of 10, by EvieSigma

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Packard Bell should be standard ATX PSU size, given that the ATX PSU size was derived from the "Baby AT/LPX" style Packard Bell's towers used.

Reply 4 of 10, by murrayman

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

AOpen isn't included in this list - see title. Let's start with the Packard Bell since it was the easiest for me to get to 😜 Certainly looks standard to me, but does anyone know if it will use standard wiring? Doesn't seem like a special proprietary PSU

IMG_0069.jpg
Filename
IMG_0069.jpg
File size
1.33 MiB
Views
609 views
File license
Public domain
IMG_0068.jpg
Filename
IMG_0068.jpg
File size
1.27 MiB
Views
609 views
File license
Public domain
IMG_0066.jpg
Filename
IMG_0066.jpg
File size
1.45 MiB
Views
609 views
File license
Public domain

P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech

Reply 5 of 10, by pentiumspeed

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

Astec is good power supply. Do not worry about it, and standard format for baby AT type.

What's your the model of Compaq? Examples: Deskpro 4/33i, etc?

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 6 of 10, by murrayman

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
pentiumspeed wrote on 2020-07-24, 21:44:

Astec is good power supply. Do not worry about it, and standard format for baby AT type.

What's your the model of Compaq? Examples: Deskpro 4/33i, etc?

Cheers,

Company Presario 5170. See original specs here. I’ll try to get photos if needed this weekend!

P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech

Reply 7 of 10, by murrayman

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Alrighty, here's the Compaq

IMG_0101 (2).jpg
Filename
IMG_0101 (2).jpg
File size
950.71 KiB
Views
551 views
File license
Public domain
IMG_0102 (2).jpg
Filename
IMG_0102 (2).jpg
File size
1.01 MiB
Views
551 views
File license
Public domain
IMG_0103 (2).jpg
Filename
IMG_0103 (2).jpg
File size
1.73 MiB
Views
551 views
File license
Public domain
IMG_0104 (2).jpg
Filename
IMG_0104 (2).jpg
File size
1.68 MiB
Views
551 views
File license
Public domain

P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech

Reply 8 of 10, by pentiumspeed

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

Mitac is big company and still exist, also notebooks and some boards as well.

Looks good quality too, open the Mitac up and inspect capacitors brands.

Found some Mitac PSUs with -5V yay!

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 9 of 10, by murrayman

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Resurrecting this thread instead of making a new one, got a few questions.

I inspected the PSUs at the time of the last post and didn't see any visible issues with the caps. Since then, the Compaq has begun to develop a dull but very high pitch whine that I haven't yet pinpointed from where it's coming. Decided to do another inspection of both systems and get some photos / videos this time. Would anyone be so kind as to glance over what I took? To me, everything still looks good, but I understand looks can be deceiving. Photos and videos can be found at this Dropbox link here.

Also, I've got a new EVGA 650 B5 that has good amperage on all rails for my ATX builds, but no -5V rail. I was considering using an ATX-to-AT adapter and transplanting it into the Packard Bell just to play it safe, but since that PSU has a -5V rail, I'm concerned about doing damage. I'm not familiar with what all utilizes -5V rails or even what happens if there's a lack of voltage on said rail in the presence of such devices. Would there be a risk / would there even be any such devices in that rig? See sig for details - it's the PB M.

Lastly, I've been slowly practicing basic soldering over the past five years (recapping an LCD mainboard, etc. - nothing to do with a PSU) and am planning to invest in a proper solder station, hot air station, preheater, etc. so that I can maintain my stuff over the coming years. In cases like my Packard Bell and Compaq, where the former has that -5V rail and the latter has a proprietary form-factor, would it make more sense to recap the OEM PSUs than to try installing new ones?

P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech

Reply 10 of 10, by dionb

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

-5V is used on the ISA bus, mainly to power some sound cards. I'd expect that PB to have a 3rd gen Azetch card. I'm not sure whether it needs -5V, I know some older Aztechs do and some newer ones don't. Worst case that card doens't work. You can get AT-ATX converters that also do -5V to be sure. I'd recommend them if you go down this path.

My engineer's heart almost breaks at the thought of shoehorning an obscenely overpowered 650W PSU into there with an ATX-AT converter despite it working fine at the moment with a matching PSU. If you're worried about the state of the regular AT power supply, address that. Open it up, check the caps - visually at least - and in case of doubt replace them.

As for the noisy Compaq system: that's coil whine. You just need to find which coil it is and immobilize it with a blob of (hot) glue. If finding it is tricky, try to get a directional microphone and hook that up to a spectrum analyzer (spectrum analyzers for sound are available as Android app, no need for expensive kit here). Point it around until you see the big peak at high frequencies.

I don't know what screen you are using, but TFT monitors are notorious for starting to whine over time. It might not be the old desktop case after all...