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Thanks for all the posts!

So I pulled the trigger again on eBay. I think i'm going to turn these into wall art. I have mspacman & jrpacman arcade pcb's hanging on the wall already!

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PARKE wrote on 2020-10-15, 11:55:
It looks as if the 370SP is the predecessor of the 370SPC (brand name Fastfame; see photo). slotket01.JPG Early slotket versions […]
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Con 2 botones wrote on 2020-10-14, 16:00:

I own the same "370SP" slotket you´ve shown up there. Bought it a couple years ago to see if I could upgrade my slot 1 Gateway E-4200. Tried a Tualaron with no success.
I finally decided to leave the system alone and period correct (just swapped the original 600E for a 750E, slot 1).
But I´m curious how useful that adapter would be. Let us know your results please!

It looks as if the 370SP is the predecessor of the 370SPC (brand name Fastfame; see photo).
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Early slotket versions were used to run s370 Celeron cpu's on Slot 1 boards hence they did not need to deliver voltages below 2 volt. The later slotket versions were meant to also run Coppermines and these needed to deliver lower voltages. It is possible that some of the early slotkets work ok via the 'auto' setting but that is not certain. When playing with this kind of hardware I prefer to be in control and therefore I would not feel comfortable with uncertainties.
The 370SPC above here works fine with all Coppermines via the 'auto' setting btw.

Edit: see also Intel's slotket recommendations.Slotket.pdf

Thanks for the manufacture name and the correct part number. Ala 370SPC

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Reply 22 of 84, by PARKE

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That 370SPC should work for you if it is sound - let us know when you succeed.
As side note: the 370SPC should be jumpered 1-2/1-2 for green Coppermine Celerons.
Maybe one day we will have an 'Everything you want to know about slotkets' thread here on Vogons.

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PARKE wrote on 2020-10-15, 11:55:
It looks as if the 370SP is the predecessor of the 370SPC (brand name Fastfame; see photo). slotket01.JPG Early slotket versions […]
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Con 2 botones wrote on 2020-10-14, 16:00:

I own the same "370SP" slotket you´ve shown up there. Bought it a couple years ago to see if I could upgrade my slot 1 Gateway E-4200. Tried a Tualaron with no success.
I finally decided to leave the system alone and period correct (just swapped the original 600E for a 750E, slot 1).
But I´m curious how useful that adapter would be. Let us know your results please!

It looks as if the 370SP is the predecessor of the 370SPC (brand name Fastfame; see photo).
slotket01.JPG
Early slotket versions were used to run s370 Celeron cpu's on Slot 1 boards hence they did not need to deliver voltages below 2 volt. The later slotket versions were meant to also run Coppermines and these needed to deliver lower voltages. It is possible that some of the early slotkets work ok via the 'auto' setting but that is not certain. When playing with this kind of hardware I prefer to be in control and therefore I would not feel comfortable with uncertainties.
The 370SPC above here works fine with all Coppermines via the 'auto' setting btw.

Edit: see also Intel's slotket recommendations.Slotket.pdf

Thank you for the information!
I think I have always configured it with the "auto" setting, not sure I tried a Coppermine Celeron or a 133mhz bus Pentium III in that machine though. Can confimr I have been lucky using a 433 Mendocino in another Slot 1 motherboard with 440EX chipset (which limits it to only 66mhz bus CPU).

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Found some old notes from the web about the 370SP from the time I tried to figure out what the 370SPC was capable of.
For what it is worth:

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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-15, 19:56:

Thanks for all the posts!

So I pulled the trigger again on eBay. I think i'm going to turn these into wall art. I have mspacman & jrpacman arcade pcb's hanging on the wall already!

Why turn them into wall art?

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PARKE wrote on 2020-10-16, 12:40:

That 370SPC should work for you if it is sound - let us know when you succeed.
As side note: the 370SPC should be jumpered 1-2/1-2 for green Coppermine Celerons.
Maybe one day we will have an 'Everything you want to know about slotkets' thread here on Vogons.

Thank you Parke for all the help. However now i seem lost because of your last post. In the picture i posted of the 370SPC with the Celeron this is what i have below. How should these others be pinned? Also just so i know why is the color "green" relevant?

SL4P3 733/128/66/1.7V CELERON JP1 = 2-3 /2-3 , JP2 = 1-2, JP3 = 1-2 , JP4 = 1-2, JP5 = 1-2 --- I hope these look right?
SL5QV 1000/256/100/1.75V PIII ???

SL3XW 667/256/133/1.65V PIII ???
SL52R 1000/256/133/1.75V PIII ???

Thank you!

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Tetrium wrote on 2020-10-16, 18:58:
script-fu wrote on 2020-10-15, 19:56:

Thanks for all the posts!

So I pulled the trigger again on eBay. I think i'm going to turn these into wall art. I have mspacman & jrpacman arcade pcb's hanging on the wall already!

Why turn them into wall art?

Just a figure of speech trying to be comedian

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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-16, 19:11:
PARKE wrote on 2020-10-16, 12:40:

That 370SPC should work for you if it is sound - let us know when you succeed.
As side note: the 370SPC should be jumpered 1-2/1-2 for green Coppermine Celerons.
Maybe one day we will have an 'Everything you want to know about slotkets' thread here on Vogons.

Thank you Parke for all the help. However now i seem lost because of your last post. In the picture i posted of the 370SPC with the Celeron this is what i have below. How should these others be pinned? Also just so i know why is the color "green" relevant?

Because those Celerons are based on the Coppermine and not the Mendocino, which is important when it comes to slotket compatibility.

You should really read up.

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Well, I've been doing some quick searching and it's actually not even that simple to find something really easy to read about the first Celerons (or I simply haven't found it yet).
The wiki has a page about Celeron, but it basically dumps all of the different architectures together.

Vogons's own wiki also doesn't seem to have a more expanded explanation of the first Celerons and I thought there was a pic showing the first 3 basic iterations of s370 Celerons, but I guess I was mistaking.
I will make some pics and do some writing if I have some time tomorrow. Right now it's dark in my attic and the pics I take now are not very good, natural light would be better.

I will do a quick writeup in my next reply
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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-16, 19:23:
Tetrium wrote on 2020-10-16, 18:58:
script-fu wrote on 2020-10-15, 19:56:

Thanks for all the posts!

So I pulled the trigger again on eBay. I think i'm going to turn these into wall art. I have mspacman & jrpacman arcade pcb's hanging on the wall already!

Why turn them into wall art?

Just a figure of speech trying to be comedian

I've read about people doing even more bizarre stuff to their hardware. Something with playdoh comes to mind (I shit you not) or doing stuff like overclocking an ASUS Black Pearl motherboard was it I think? till it died.
There's so many weird stories out there, they could fill your face with tears and your tummy with an endless stream of jolts of pains of pure laughter.

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Tetrium your really wild man! However I'm serious about the old arcade machine pcb/motherboards hanging on the wall. It gives me great pleasure to know that they are safe.

Anyway i've been digging around the waybackmachine and i did find a little more info. However i could not retrieve the .pdf files for the 370SP / 370SPC

https://web.archive.org/web/20010503083552/ht … DUCT/Others.htm

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Anyway, the reason is that s370 (which is short for Socket 370) has had a decently long run and featured at least 3 different generations of CPUs (Mendocino, then Coppermine and lastly Tualatin).

The very first Celeron was basically a Pentium II with its off-die cache completely removed. This was the Covington. However, Covington performed a bit lackluster to say the least so Intel then basically made an emergency edit to the Covington and added 128kb of on-die cache to it. This was the Mendocino.

While Covington was available in Slot 1 format only (for desktops anyway, dunno from top of my head if there were any laptop versions of that), Mendocino first appeared in Slot 1 format as well (it included the somewhat legendary 300A), but later Intel decided to create an entirely separate platform just for Celeron, creating Socket 370 where Slot 1 was to remain as the top-of-the-line platform.
However, manufacturers then started to create adapters so people could still use the s370 Mendocinos in their Slot 1 systems.

These Celerons ran at around 2v or a bit less.

Later Intel created the Coppermine core, which was basically (again very basically) a Pentium II/Pentium III Katmai core with its outer off-die cache completely removed, but with 256kb cache on-die added. This core also received a dieshrink, lowering voltage to around 1.6v (going up to 1.75v or so for later models).

This new CPU also got a Celeron version with half the cache amount, also coming with 128kb (same as Mendocino).

However, these Coppermine Celerons were not always compatible with the SLotkets that had been manufactured up to this point.

That is why it is important to figure out which slotket to get for which CPU.

Things became even a bit more complicated once the Tualatin Celeron (also dubbed the Tualeron, which is not an official Intel name but is well known name amongst retro computer hobbyists) arrived on the market. These featured a lower voltage again, 256kb cache instead of the 128kb the Coppermine Celerons had.
The Pentium III Tualatin and Tualeron were basically divided by Tualeron being set for 100MHz FSB and the Pentium III for 133MHz FSB.
A second version of the Pentium III Talatin got 512kb cache, ran at 133MHz FSB as well and this is the Pentium III-S or Tualatin-S.
The Tualatin cored Pentium III got the same name as the Coppermine cored Pentium III, hence it is easier to distinguish them from another by naming the Tualatin cored Pentium III the Tualatin.
All Tualatins ran at around 1.4v to 1.45v or so.

The relevant cores for lowend - highend were something like this (and this excludes laptop and server parts).

Mendocino - Deschutes/Katmai (±2v)
Celeron Coppermine - Coppermine (±1.6v to 1.75v)
Tualeron - Tualatin/Tualatin-S (±1.4v to 1.45v)
with the bolded parts being the 3 different generations of Celerons that were available for s370

Hope this explains it a bit better. It can be quite confusing, if only because at times manufacturers made it confusing on purpose, so sometimes terms like "Tualeron" are simply better and often more accurate, thus reducing both potential and guaranteed confusion.

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Reply 31 of 84, by Tetrium

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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-16, 21:13:

Tetrium your really wild man! However I'm serious about the old arcade machine pcb/motherboards hanging on the wall. It gives me great pleasure to know that they are safe.

Pics or it didn't happen 🤣

Anyway i've been digging around the waybackmachine and i did find a little more info. However i could not retrieve the .pdf files for the 370SP / 370SPC

https://web.archive.org/web/20010503083552/ht … DUCT/Others.htm

Please check my above reply, I tried to explain it in a bit more detail and readable format.
Mind you, I tried to condense several years of CPU history into a single reply 😜

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Tetrium wrote on 2020-10-16, 20:44:
Because those Celerons are based on the Coppermine and not the Mendocino, which is important when it comes to slotket compatibil […]
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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-16, 19:11:
PARKE wrote on 2020-10-16, 12:40:

That 370SPC should work for you if it is sound - let us know when you succeed.
As side note: the 370SPC should be jumpered 1-2/1-2 for green Coppermine Celerons.
Maybe one day we will have an 'Everything you want to know about slotkets' thread here on Vogons.

Thank you Parke for all the help. However now i seem lost because of your last post. In the picture i posted of the 370SPC with the Celeron this is what i have below. How should these others be pinned? Also just so i know why is the color "green" relevant?

Because those Celerons are based on the Coppermine and not the Mendocino, which is important when it comes to slotket compatibility.

You should really read up.

EDIT:
Well, I've been doing some quick searching and it's actually not even that simple to find something really easy to read about the first Celerons (or I simply haven't found it yet).
The wiki has a page about Celeron, but it basically dumps all of the different architectures together.

Vogons's own wiki also doesn't seem to have a more expanded explanation of the first Celerons and I thought there was a pic showing the first 3 basic iterations of s370 Celerons, but I guess I was mistaking.
I will make some pics and do some writing if I have some time tomorrow. Right now it's dark in my attic and the pics I take now are not very good, natural light would be better.

I will do a quick writeup in my next reply
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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-16, 19:23:
Tetrium wrote on 2020-10-16, 18:58:

Why turn them into wall art?

Just a figure of speech trying to be comedian

I've read about people doing even more bizarre stuff to their hardware. Something with playdoh comes to mind (I shit you not) or doing stuff like overclocking an ASUS Black Pearl motherboard was it I think? till it died.
There's so many weird stories out there, they could fill your face with tears and your tummy with an endless stream of jolts of pains of pure laughter.

Thank you for your time as well Tetrium that's awesome your would do that!

When i was reading up earlier trying to understand the difference. I ran across a post where some guy mention the best way to tell was Black or Green. So i supposed that is how some know which cpu it is meaning early or late possibly.

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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-16, 21:21:
Tetrium wrote on 2020-10-16, 20:44:
Because those Celerons are based on the Coppermine and not the Mendocino, which is important when it comes to slotket compatibil […]
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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-16, 19:11:

Thank you Parke for all the help. However now i seem lost because of your last post. In the picture i posted of the 370SPC with the Celeron this is what i have below. How should these others be pinned? Also just so i know why is the color "green" relevant?

Because those Celerons are based on the Coppermine and not the Mendocino, which is important when it comes to slotket compatibility.

You should really read up.

EDIT:
Well, I've been doing some quick searching and it's actually not even that simple to find something really easy to read about the first Celerons (or I simply haven't found it yet).
The wiki has a page about Celeron, but it basically dumps all of the different architectures together.

Vogons's own wiki also doesn't seem to have a more expanded explanation of the first Celerons and I thought there was a pic showing the first 3 basic iterations of s370 Celerons, but I guess I was mistaking.
I will make some pics and do some writing if I have some time tomorrow. Right now it's dark in my attic and the pics I take now are not very good, natural light would be better.

I will do a quick writeup in my next reply
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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-16, 19:23:

Just a figure of speech trying to be comedian

I've read about people doing even more bizarre stuff to their hardware. Something with playdoh comes to mind (I shit you not) or doing stuff like overclocking an ASUS Black Pearl motherboard was it I think? till it died.
There's so many weird stories out there, they could fill your face with tears and your tummy with an endless stream of jolts of pains of pure laughter.

Thank you for your time as well Tetrium that's awesome your would do that!

When i was reading up earlier trying to understand the difference. I ran across a post where some guy mention the best way to tell was Black or Green. So i supposed that is how some know which cpu it is meaning early or late possibly.

It's a little bit more complicated than that 🤣
But in essence this is correct. The s370 Mendocinos were quite easy to distinguish from any other s370 CPU in them being mostly black+silvery metal colored heatspreader and pins with a more deeper gold-colored where the Coppermine cored s370 CPUs were mostly green with otherwise a bit more bland-gold-colored pins and an exposed smaller die.

EDIT: From the wiki page I linked to earlier
Mendocino Celeron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KL_Intel_C … ndocino_Top.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KL_Intel_C … docino_S370.jpg

Coppermine Celeron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Celeron_Co … ine-128_600.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Celeron_Co … 28_600_back.jpg

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Here is some older pictures of my lab / spare bedroom 🤣 at the other house. Then of course it took quite a bit to get my lady to throw away the stupid couch in the living room. She gave up in the end!

Lets see a picture of my tek 2335 scope & a 490 BK tube rejuvenator along with some pace soldering equipment on the desk that has been upgraded.
I also had a really nice eprom burner i wanna say it was EP-1100 but now i have a RomMax single and a four channel burner. It requires an ISA slot hence the 440BX i'm building. I also have a Needhams EMP-20 burner that's off the hook!

Those pacman / mspacman / jrpacman / boards were very safe and a great conversation piece when having repair parties at the house.

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@Tetrium that was a great write up above. I'm now up to speed between the Coppermine and Mendocino. I do wanna expand on some of this though. I have read all these threads here on a mod for the Tualatin and everything in between. Here is a basic search of vogons below.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1 ... &uact=5

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Now lets throw in the eBay guy in Korea with the pre made Tualatin mods including the CPU's if you want. None of his mods work with my motherboard atm. I will contact him though and see what his thoughts are on the Tualatin for this Gigabyte I have.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Tualatin-CPU-P … 8vMAAOSw88NdWCZ~

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Tualatin-Celer … 7sAAOSwPAxaC8O8

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Tualatin-Penti … Q0AAOxyRhBSxjSY

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Then of course we have the VIA C3 already running 133fsb on the same motherboard I have which Bancho was kind enough to post about. The MSI MS6905 is NO where to be found atm.

Bancho wrote on 2020-10-14, 12:18:

Get a MSI MS6905 Master Sloket and be done with it. That will most certainly run 100FSB coppermine's. I currently use one for a 133fsb Via C3 CPU on a Gigabyte GA-6BXC Rev 2.0. I'm sure i've had 133fsb Coppermines running on it too.

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Which brings me to the PIII Coppermine not the celeron versions just pure PIII like the three i have here below. These are the ones I'm shooting for first. I will start with the SL5QV 100fsb PIII first. However I'm in a holding pattern until i get the 370SPC Slotkit in the mail. Hopefully next week.

In Hand CPU's
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SL3BA 433/128/66/?.??V Mendocino Celeron

SL4P3 733/128/66/1.7V Coppermine Celeron 370SPC Slotkit jumper setup as follows ---> JP1 = 2-3 /2-3 , JP2 = 1-2, JP3 = 1-2 , JP4 = 1-2, JP5 = 1-2 --- I hope these look right?

SL5QV 1000/256/100/1.75V Coppermine PIII ---> I still need to confirm jumper positions

SL3XW 667/256/133/1.65V Coppermine PIII
SL52R 1000/256/133/1.75V Coppermine PIII ---> I still need to confirm jumper positions

SL5ZE 1100A/256/100/1.475 Tualatin Celeron
SL64V 1400/256/100/1.5 Tualatin Celeron

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Bancho wrote on 2020-10-14, 12:18:

Get a MSI MS6905 Master Sloket and be done with it. That will most certainly run 100FSB coppermine's. I currently use one for a 133fsb Via C3 CPU on a Gigabyte GA-6BXC Rev 2.0. I'm sure i've had 133fsb Coppermines running on it too.

@Bancho did the Gigabyte bios handle your C3 properly? Also the jumpers on the motherboard did you need to set them a different way for the 133fsb? How's your AGP slot working out for you? I mean it's over clocked as well correct? What video card did you go with?

Sorry for so many questions Bancho but i wanted to nail down your setup for future reference. The C3 is a wild setup with the 3DNow incorporated as that something the 30 year old in me would have freaked out about. Now this old man has seen it all but I'm really curious.

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Which brings me to the PIII Coppermine not the celeron versions just pure PIII like the three i have here below. These are the o […]
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Which brings me to the PIII Coppermine not the celeron versions just pure PIII like the three i have here below. These are the ones I'm shooting for first. I will start with the SL5QV 100fsb PIII first. However I'm in a holding pattern until i get the 370SPC Slotkit in the mail. Hopefully next week.

In Hand CPU's
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SL3BA 433/128/66/?.??V Mendocino Celeron

SL4P3 733/128/66/1.7V Coppermine Celeron 370SPC Slotkit jumper setup as follows ---> JP1 = 2-3 /2-3 , JP2 = 1-2, JP3 = 1-2 , JP4 = 1-2, JP5 = 1-2 --- I hope these look right?

SL5QV 1000/256/100/1.75V Coppermine PIII ---> I still need to confirm jumper positions

SL3XW 667/256/133/1.65V Coppermine PIII
SL52R 1000/256/133/1.75V Coppermine PIII ---> I still need to confirm jumper positions

SL5ZE 1100A/256/100/1.475 Tualatin Celeron
SL64V 1400/256/100/1.5 Tualatin Celeron

Tetrium was kind enough to fill in most of the answers but here a couple of additional pieces of info

You cannot run your Tualatin core cpu's on the slotkets discussed in this thread. These slotkets need a modification because the pins of Tualatin core cpu's are not compatible with the regular 370 socket.
The only two slotkets that support Tualatin core cpu's out of the box are the Powerleap PL-iP3/T and the Upgradeware Slot-T.

The SL3BA is a Mendocino Celeron and runs on 2 volt.
On the 370SPC the JP1 should be jumpered 2-3/2-3.
Jumpers 2 through 5 should be jumpered 1-2

For the SL5QV 1000/256/100 the JP1 should be jumpered 1-2/1-2
Jumpers 2 through 5 should be jumpered 1-2

For the SL3XW 667/256/133 and the SL52R 1000/256/133 the JP1 should be jumpered 1-2/1-2.
I have never tried an fsb 133 cpu on the 370SPC but long ago I found the scheme below on a german forum. If this scheme is correct then jumpers 2, 4 and 5 should be set on position 1-2 but jumper 3 should be removed.

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And be careful with that JP1. In the 2-3/2-3 setting the voltage that is signalled to the motherboard as needed for first generation Celerons sits in the 2.0 to 3.5 volt range. A Coppermine is -not- meant to be run at 2.0 volts. It can survive it if cooled properly but if there is for some reason a hickup in communication between the slotket and motherboard it is theoretically possible that the cpu gets the full 3.5 volt which results in instant death.

Reply 38 of 84, by PARKE

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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-16, 21:46:
Here is some older pictures of my lab / spare bedroom lol at the other house. Then of course it took quite a bit to get my lady […]
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Here is some older pictures of my lab / spare bedroom 🤣 at the other house. Then of course it took quite a bit to get my lady to throw away the stupid couch in the living room. She gave up in the end!

Lets see a picture of my tek 2335 scope & a 490 BK tube rejuvenator along with some pace soldering equipment on the desk that has been upgraded.
I also had a really nice eprom burner i wanna say it was EP-1100 but now i have a RomMax single and a four channel burner. It requires an ISA slot hence the 440BX i'm building. I also have a Needhams EMP-20 burner that's off the hook!

Those pacman / mspacman / jrpacman / boards were very safe and a great conversation piece when having repair parties at the house.

So cool !

Reply 39 of 84, by Bancho

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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-16, 23:49:
Bancho wrote on 2020-10-14, 12:18:

Get a MSI MS6905 Master Sloket and be done with it. That will most certainly run 100FSB coppermine's. I currently use one for a 133fsb Via C3 CPU on a Gigabyte GA-6BXC Rev 2.0. I'm sure i've had 133fsb Coppermines running on it too.

@Bancho did the Gigabyte bios handle your C3 properly? Also the jumpers on the motherboard did you need to set them a different way for the 133fsb? How's your AGP slot working out for you? I mean it's over clocked as well correct? What video card did you go with?

Sorry for so many questions Bancho but i wanted to nail down your setup for future reference. The C3 is a wild setup with the 3DNow incorporated as that something the 30 year old in me would have freaked out about. Now this old man has seen it all but I'm really curious.

I will get some details for you later on today. I have the machine assembled still but not setup currently. I had to flash the BIOS to different bios. I think it was the powerleap one in this collection - http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?file … 727&menustate=0

Let me get it setup later and i will update you with the details.

Thanks