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First post, by MrCrocodile

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Hi Everyone,

I'm restoring an old IBM Aptiva computer that has a Sis630 based motherboard. It doesn't have an API port, only 3 PCI. I was able to source a PCI Voodoo4, however I can't make it working correctly in this machine. This graphics cards works no problem in another computer (K6-2). Also this Sis630 one works with G450 PCI and FX5500 PCI no problem too.

However when I put Voodoo in the Aptiva, it launches, I'm able to install drivers. But when I try to change resolution it freezes. When I try to launch 3DMark if freezes. Also when I try to run dxdiag it freezes at the beginning (like at 30% of the initialisation progress bar). I updated DirectX from 7.1 to 8.1, it didn't help. I'm running out of ideas, I disabled most of the hardware I could in Bios (e.g. sound card). I can't disable the onboard graphics, only go down to 4MB of Ram, but I disabled it in Windows. I tried all PCI slots.

Also this is a fresh installation of Windows. I tried different 3dfx drivers, the reference one and other that I could find on Phil's website.

I'm about to give up. Any other ideas how to get some diagnostic information on what might be wrong. Or some other ideas to try? I'll really appreciate any help.

Reply 1 of 6, by progman.exe

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It sounds like you have tried a lot, and to me this sounds like a power shortage. IIRC V4's are power hungry, and a corp-o-box will be as low-spec as they feel they can get away with. You might be pushing it too hard without even realising.

Either get more power in (does the V4 have aux power? A second PSU somehow safely running that might help), a bigger PSU for the system (or just a younger one), or (long shot) replace the HDD with something lower power, and disconnect the CD and physically remove anything else that can be.

Reply 2 of 6, by Ozzuneoj

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progman.exe wrote on 2024-06-13, 01:06:

It sounds like you have tried a lot, and to me this sounds like a power shortage. IIRC V4's are power hungry, and a corp-o-box will be as low-spec as they feel they can get away with. You might be pushing it too hard without even realising.

Either get more power in (does the V4 have aux power? A second PSU somehow safely running that might help), a bigger PSU for the system (or just a younger one), or (long shot) replace the HDD with something lower power, and disconnect the CD and physically remove anything else that can be.

I would think that an FX5500 (basically a 5200) would use quite a bit more power than Voodoo4, but I can't say for certain.

Have you tried a clean Windows installation on the Aptiva? By clean I mean using standard Windows install media, not anything IBM specific.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 3 of 6, by MrCrocodile

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Thank you everyone for their hints. I tried a different PSU, it didn't help. I thought to give it one more go and reinstall fresh Windows and try to install drivers with Voodoo4 in place. During installation of the IDE driver Windows hung again and I thought hmm, maybe that's it. So I went to BIOS and disabled UDMA and secondary controller. And had this idea to disable everything that is not needed to boot the system. And it worked! Then I started enabling things one by one and here it is - the USB controller causing the issue. It's a bit of shame because I sometimes use it, but hey I got Voodoo working.

Writing it here with the whole process, maybe it will help someone else.

Reply 4 of 6, by Ozzuneoj

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MrCrocodile wrote on 2024-06-14, 00:11:

Thank you everyone for their hints. I tried a different PSU, it didn't help. I thought to give it one more go and reinstall fresh Windows and try to install drivers with Voodoo4 in place. During installation of the IDE driver Windows hung again and I thought hmm, maybe that's it. So I went to BIOS and disabled UDMA and secondary controller. And had this idea to disable everything that is not needed to boot the system. And it worked! Then I started enabling things one by one and here it is - the USB controller causing the issue. It's a bit of shame because I sometimes use it, but hey I got Voodoo working.

Writing it here with the whole process, maybe it will help someone else.

Nice! Glad to hear you found the issue!

It's possible you may be able to reassign the resources for either the USB controller or the Voodoo card in device manager.

Also, go into your BIOS and enable the "Reset Configuration Data" setting and then reboot (it is normal for the setting to be disabled again after reboot). Doing this may automatically reconfigure resource allocation in a way that works better for your setup, but I can't say for sure. I have never personally seen a Voodoo card conflict with a USB controller, so I'm not sure what the exact cause of this would be.

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Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 5 of 6, by ux-3

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Have you checked if the USB controller REALLY works? Like connect something and check for function?

Retro PC warning: The things you own end up owning you.

Reply 6 of 6, by MrCrocodile

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ux-3 wrote on 2024-06-14, 05:10:

Have you checked if the USB controller REALLY works? Like connect something and check for function?

Yes, I used it to copy drivers.