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First post, by gryffinwings

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So, I am working on building a new Windows 98 machine based around the AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1000 MHz CPU and an Asus A7V133 motherboard. It hasn't escaped my notice that these systems are heavy on the 5V rail. So, I am wondering what PSU to go with and maybe strategically reduce the load on the 5V rail if necessary. I am trying to keep my budget reasonable, so I'm thinking Nvidia Geforce4 MX 440 would fit the bill well enough and I hear it draws less power. What about an SSD with SATA to IDE adapter? Thoughts and recommendations?

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Reply 1 of 14, by ciornyi

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Hey mate , it's recommended 20A for 5v rail so if you can find one with 20a and 120-150W combined with 3.3V you're good.

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Reply 2 of 14, by gryffinwings

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ciornyi wrote on 2024-06-20, 05:45:

Hey mate , it's recommended 20A for 5v rail so if you can find one with 20a and 120-150W combined with 3.3V you're good.

20A huh? what do you mean 120-150W combined with 3.3V? Could you explain what you mean a little more?

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Reply 3 of 14, by swaaye

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Back in the day they probably would have suggested 5v @ 30A, but power supplies were often poor quality back then. You can try 5v @ 20A and see if it is stable. With a GF4 MX440 being very low power it will probably be ok. You might even be able to undervolt the CPU and bring the power consumption down.

You can peruse this period piece by Anandtech 😀
https://www.anandtech.com/show/448

SSDs on SATA/IDE adapters can be ok. Some of the adapters are poor quality though. In the modded XBox world the favorite is one made by Startech.

Reply 4 of 14, by Shponglefan

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There are contemporary power supplies that can do 5V @ 25A. For example, Seasonic 1000W power supplies.

It's complete overkill in terms of total available wattage for something like a 1.0 GHz Athlon build, but will provide 25A on the 5V rail at least. I used one such PSU with an Athlon XP 2000+ build.

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Reply 5 of 14, by laios67

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I used several sata to ide adapters on retro builds . In fact I rarely use anything else the cheap chinese kind 5-7 euro . They work great

Pentium III 1ghz Coppermine 750mb SBLive! Voodoo 3 3000 AGP
Compaq Deskpro Pentium III 933 EN 500mb Geforce4MX 440 AGP
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Reply 6 of 14, by gryffinwings

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laios67 wrote on 2024-06-21, 05:25:

I used several sata to ide adapters on retro builds . In fact I rarely use anything else the cheap chinese kind 5-7 euro . They work great

I'm tempted to use one of these to run a Western Digital Raptor Drive...

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Reply 7 of 14, by The Serpent Rider

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Be careful with Raptor drives. First two generations were IDE internally and used a converter chip for SATA, so running it through conversions twice may lead to additional problems.

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Reply 8 of 14, by gryffinwings

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2024-06-24, 09:22:

Be careful with Raptor drives. First two generations were IDE internally and used a converter chip for SATA, so running it through conversions twice may lead to additional problems.

So, it looks like later variants of the 74GB had native SATA support instead of using a bridge chip, and the 150GB models are good to go. Does that sound about right?

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Reply 9 of 14, by laios67

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I use SSD 2.5" disks they work great

Pentium III 1ghz Coppermine 750mb SBLive! Voodoo 3 3000 AGP
Compaq Deskpro Pentium III 933 EN 500mb Geforce4MX 440 AGP
Pentium 4 1.8ghz Northwood 500mb Voodoo 3 3500 AGP
Pentium 4 1.7 ghz Northwood 1gb Voodoo3 3000 AGP

Reply 10 of 14, by PD2JK

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gryffinwings wrote on 2024-06-26, 00:12:
The Serpent Rider wrote on 2024-06-24, 09:22:

Be careful with Raptor drives. First two generations were IDE internally and used a converter chip for SATA, so running it through conversions twice may lead to additional problems.

So, it looks like later variants of the 74GB had native SATA support instead of using a bridge chip, and the 150GB models are good to go. Does that sound about right?

1st gen GD drives have that bridge chip, 2nd gen ADFD drives are native SATA.

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Reply 11 of 14, by dormcat

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I've got a very similar system: Asus A7V133-C with Athlon 1200C + Asus V7100PRO/64M (GeForce2 MX 400); even the chassis was made by Asus. Its bundled PSU was only 250W but with 20A at +5V rail.

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In addition to +5V current requirement, the clip on your modern (24-pin) ATX PSU connector might be incompatible with that purple capacitor next to it.

Reply 12 of 14, by The Serpent Rider

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gryffinwings wrote on 2024-06-26, 00:12:

So, it looks like later variants of the 74GB had native SATA support instead of using a bridge chip, and the 150GB models are good to go. Does that sound about right?

Yes, anything with ADFD in the model name is fine.

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Reply 13 of 14, by MadDogFargo

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I have a PC Power and Cooling 760w unit has a 30A 5v rail.
I have a Corsair CX430/CX430M that both have a 20A 5v rail.
These were able to power a Socket A Sempron 3300 and Athlon XP 3200 (same die) with an overclock of 2350MHz with an x800 Pro AGP card.

You can look at the PSU photos on sites like NewEgg to see if they have a 20A 5v rail or better.

Reply 14 of 14, by gryffinwings

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I ended up finding an Enermax EG651P-VE for pretty cheap, and it looks like it was in good shape and "tested", as far as I know. We'll see how that goes when I set up a test bench in the near future.

Main Computer: Custom - Intel 12900K, Asus Nvidia 3080 Ti, 64 GB DDR5.
Retro Computer: Packard Bell Legend I - AMD 286, 640KB RAM
Retro Computer: Shuttle XPC - Pentium 4 2.8 GHz FSB 400 MHz, ATi Radeon 9600 Pro, Sound Blaster Live!, 2GB RAM.