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First post, by mmx_91

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Hi all,

I'm thinking about building a very small form factor system, as I've encountered that, among all the retro stuff I posses: most of the times I want to play something retro, I end up using a small board that fits really well my needs, connected to living room flat TV with all sort of modern amenities 😀

This board comes from an Intel Dot Station (known here in Spain as Pakito), upgraded to Pentium III 1Ghz 100FSB, 1xDIMM 256MB SDRAM and Geforce 6200 PCI.
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It allows me to get HD resolutions in desktop, and very sharp 640x480, 800x600 or 1024x768 for games using DVI to HDMI. Using SD to IDE as well as wireless keyboard&mouse is very handy to just start playing something with no more headache 😀

So my idea is to DIY a very small wooden case that matches the furniture and contains only the board, GPU, SDtoIDE adapter and a couple of fans.
Given this, I have doubts on which will be the best PSU option for this build:

- The one I use now which is a TFX PSU: plenty of power, but it will oblige the case to be bigger and heavier and I'd want to avoid it

- Second option would be something like Pico PSU:
https://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=10

This would be ideal in case I can feed it with a hidden external laptop power brick, for example, but I'm worried about current they can deliver.
As many stated here, they are quite weak in delivering 5Volt rail which is the one these old systems use the most. Most of these models I've read about deliver only 6 to 8 Amps in 5V rail, which I think it's quite low, isn't it?

Only the processor has a TDP of about 30W, which added to GPU consumption and peripherals may be quite tight or not sufficient at all, I'm afraid 🙁

From the board datasheet (MO810e), it says that a 500Mhz PIII will pull more than 2 Amps from 5V rail and 2 more amps reserved for PCI slot. As long as my CPU is more power hungry, I'm afraid a PicoPSU may work towards the limit:
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What do you guys think? Does anyone have experience with similar systems and SFF PSUs?

Thanks a lot!

Reply 1 of 3, by melbar

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Here data from cpuworld:

Pentium III 1000 - RB80526PY001256
Thermal Design Power 29 Watt (CPUID 068Ah)
Maximum power dissipation 35.35 Watt

Pentium III 1000 - RB80526PZ001256
Thermal Design Power
29.6 Watt (1.76V)
26.1 Watt (CPUID 0686h)
29 Watt (CPUID 068Ah)
Maximum power dissipation
32.98 Watt (1.7V core)
35.35 Watt (1.75V core)

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Reply 2 of 3, by mmx_91

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melbar wrote on 2024-08-24, 09:14:
Here data from cpuworld: […]
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Here data from cpuworld:

Pentium III 1000 - RB80526PY001256
Thermal Design Power 29 Watt (CPUID 068Ah)
Maximum power dissipation 35.35 Watt

Pentium III 1000 - RB80526PZ001256
Thermal Design Power
29.6 Watt (1.76V)
26.1 Watt (CPUID 0686h)
29 Watt (CPUID 068Ah)
Maximum power dissipation
32.98 Watt (1.7V core)
35.35 Watt (1.75V core)

Yes, my model is however 100FSB and it seems to peek at a similar 33W.

My question is more related to the 5V rail. If CPU pulls all these 33W from 5V rail, I'm already out of spec with more than 6A.

But I don't know how this works 100%, if for such wattage it uses only 5V rail, or mixed with 3.3/12. Also the GPU.

Quite an interesting topic to learn about 😀

Reply 3 of 3, by wbahnassi

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I'm also a fan of micro builds. I used picoPSU with a proper brick on a very wide range of machines: 386, 486, P-MMX, and even P4. It never failed powering up any of these. That being said, I don't do heavy 3D-accelerated gaming. The P4 board had on-board VGA so it only had a PCI SoundBlaster Live as an extension card. But also all my builds have 3 drives: 1.2MB, 1.44MB and CD or DVD drive.

My only warning here is that the original branded picoPSU works, the Chinese knock-offs don't even when they advertise they do.

The tough part with the picoPSU is finding a good brick for it. IIRC the company also sells those. You need something that can push lots of amps at 12V (e.g. 10amps). This isn't very common.

Turbo XT 12MHz, 8-bit VGA, Dual 360K drives
Intel 386 DX-33, Speedstar 24X, SB 1.5, 1x CD
Intel 486 DX2-66, CL5428 VLB, SBPro 2, 2x CD
Intel Pentium 90, Matrox Millenium 2, SB16, 4x CD
HP Z400, Xeon 3.46GHz, YMF-744, Voodoo3, RTX2080Ti