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First post, by JayAlien

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Hi, I've run into an odd issue with an X58 board (Asus P6T) - it's in my sig. I'll list the details, I think I have drawn my conclusion, but wanted to see if there was something I hadn't considered.

1. GTX570 (2x6pin power) in slot pcie16_1. No video output
2. Radeon HD4870 (2x6pin power) in slot pcie16_1. YES video output without issue
2. GTX260 (2x6pin power) in slot pcie16_1. No video output
3. GT 6800XT (molex power) in slot pcie16_1. No video output
4. Radeon HD 6450 (no external power) in slot pcie16_1. YES video output without issue

Changing to the second PCIe slot
1. GTX570 (2x6pin power) in slot pcie16_2. YES video output without issue
2. GTX260 (2x6pin power) in slot pcie16_2. YES video output without issue

This issue came on slowly with the GTX570 in the PC. Generally I would power it on, no video signal, reset, repeat, maybe on the fifth or sixth try I would get signal. I ended up putting the 4870 in there and had no problems so had me thinking the gtx570 was dead. However today I decided to replace the 4870 with a pair of gtx260 core 216 that I have and the first gtx260 I added had problems. So then the testing and strange behavior.
I'm thinking an issue with the motherboard or specifically the PCIe slot??

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Reply 1 of 6, by wbahnassi

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Things degrading gradually sounds like caps on their last breath.. The chipset has nothing to do with it (compatibility-wise). My PC has the same chipset and all GPUs work on slot 1 without issues.

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Reply 2 of 6, by Repo Man11

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Have you tried (or considered trying) a different power supply? I would think a power supply that is gradually failing could cause such symptoms.

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Reply 3 of 6, by JayAlien

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Thanks, I appreciate the replies. I’ll take a look at the caps. I believe this board would be after the plague, but they can still fail.

The PSU is a relatively recent, decent EVGA 850 gold. Still, could be part of the problem.

386sx25 SBP2 2M
P75(486) SB16 8M
P133 S3 Vir DX A64g 32M
P233MMX R128Pro A64 64M
Pii400 TNT2 Live! 128M
P3-1G V5 M80 256M
P3-1.4G R8500 A1 256M
A3200 9700Pro A2 512M
X6800 X850XT A2ZS 1G
E8600 X1950XTX A4pro 2G
QX9650 3870 Xfi 2G
i7-975 GTX570 Xfi 3GB

Reply 4 of 6, by momaka

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Indeed *UNlikely* to be a cap issue or a power supply issue.
The PCI-E slots get their power (12V and 3.3V) directly from the PSU via. the 24-pin ATX connector. So if PCI-E slot 2 works fine but slot 1 does not, that's certainly NOT a power delivery issue of any sort. Either both will work or both won't. And furthermore, the GeForce 6800XT is a pretty low power card (~60W TDP tops) compared to cards several generations newer (both the GTX 260 and the HD4870 are around or over 150W). The fact that the mobo had issue with the 6800XT and not with the HD4870 confirms it's not a power issue.

I think the most likely cause(s) here are either worn out PCI-E slot(s) or the chipset starting to fail... or a combination of both possibly too.
It might sound weird to hear that the x58 chipset is at fault here, but these actually usually run pretty hot and thus are somewhat prone to failure. Loosing PCI-E lanes might be just an early indication of the onset of the chipset's failure. One way to tell if that's the case or not is to put a card that didn't work in PCI-E slot one and repeatedly power-cycle / restart the PC. If the system detects the card after a few restarts and you have *not* touched or moved the card in the slot, then more likely your chipset is failing. On the other hand, if the only way to make the card work is to remove and re-insert the card, then the issue is more likely to be worn out PCI-E slot contacts. BTW, did you ever use this motherboard to swap out / test out many different video cards before? If so, that will slowly do it too. I'm practically running into this issue myself now on my AsRock 939Dual-SATA2, as I used it heavily for testing all sorts of video cards, especially PCI-E. It's at the point where I have less than 25% chance (less than 1 in 4) of a card to work in the slot. One workaround I have for this is to use a miner riser x1 slot - basically those riser cards that plug into a PCI-E slot via. a tiny PCB and use only 1 lane from the slot. By doing that, I can now get cards to always work properly on my 939Dual-SATA2. The only disadvantage is, they run at x1 speeds... which IS a problem with some games. But I use that mobo mostly to test repaired or unknown working condition video cards, so I don't really care that much about the performance.

Reply 5 of 6, by dr_st

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momaka wrote on 2025-02-14, 23:12:

I think the most likely cause(s) here are either worn out PCI-E slot(s) or the chipset starting to fail... or a combination of both possibly too.

FWIW, I have a P45 board with roughly the same symptoms - random GPU issues when used in the primary x16 slot, no issues when used in the secondary one. I guess it's not unheard of when it comes to old boards.

momaka wrote on 2025-02-14, 23:12:

One workaround I have for this is to use a miner riser x1 slot - basically those riser cards that plug into a PCI-E slot via. a tiny PCB and use only 1 lane from the slot. By doing that, I can now get cards to always work properly on my 939Dual-SATA2. The only disadvantage is, they run at x1 speeds... which IS a problem with some games. But I use that mobo mostly to test repaired or unknown working condition video cards, so I don't really care that much about the performance.

You could also just use the card directly in the PCI-E x1 slot. Unless it's occupied or the board has limitations of some kind on using a GPU in that slot.

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Reply 6 of 6, by JayAlien

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Thanks all. This board supports 3 way sli (at x16 / x16 / x4) so I'll just use the second PCIe slot for now.

386sx25 SBP2 2M
P75(486) SB16 8M
P133 S3 Vir DX A64g 32M
P233MMX R128Pro A64 64M
Pii400 TNT2 Live! 128M
P3-1G V5 M80 256M
P3-1.4G R8500 A1 256M
A3200 9700Pro A2 512M
X6800 X850XT A2ZS 1G
E8600 X1950XTX A4pro 2G
QX9650 3870 Xfi 2G
i7-975 GTX570 Xfi 3GB