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First post, by songoffall

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Another visit to a warehouse of retired computers and components, and here's what I'm going to be working on for the foreseeable future.

  • Another Compaq Deskpro 2000 - this time, it's a P54C, original Pentium - I wonder if it could take an MMX. The board is Compaq Diagram 5506, with 430HX chipset and Cirrus Logic CL-GD5436 onboard graphics. Once I get it up and running my basic Pentium collection will be complete - Pentium 1, 2, 3 and 4, so I'll be concentrating on their different generations and architectures next, and maybe get a Pentium Pro for the extra cherry on top.
  • Out of all Dell computers I could get, I got a Poweredge 2300. Dual slot 1/with BIOS update takes up to dual Coppermine Pentium 3 1000/FSB100 CPUs, although those are quite hard to find. The chipset is 440BX, and for all I know the board and the CPU are functional, the case is in great shape, the SCSI backplane is present, but the PSU is missing, so I might have to mod a normal PSU (it takes ATX 1.x with additional connectors) to get it working. Maybe will make it my file server for the rest of my retro PCs. I'd make it a workstation/gaming system if it had AGP or if I had Voodoo2 cards, but we have what we have I guess. I have experience with Windows NT 4.0 Workstation, so I guess Windows NT 4.0 Server goes on this one.
  • An Intel Desktop Board D850MD, i850 chipset, 4x128Mb Samsung RDRAM RIMM, Pentium 4 Willamette. My first RDRAM experience. As per usual, Intel desktop boards have a mix of Japanese and Chinese capacitors, and the Chinese ones have gone bubonic. I checked the specs and well, now I get why people have mixed feelings about Pentium 4. Don't get me wrong, I still think P4 Northwood is a very good processor, but the Willamette 1.6 has almost twice the TDP of Tualatin 1.4 (61 vs 31) and is actually quite a bit slower, and while Tualatin 1.4 came out after Willamette, can't imagine early P4 adopters being happy with their "upgrade". So while P4 was competitive with Athlon XP, another furnace of a CPU, for this era of computing P3 makes a lot more sense.

Sadly no photos this time - the computers and parts need a thorough cleaning and I'll need to take full inventory of everything before I do that - but if you have experience with them, I'l be thankful for any advice you could give me.

P2 300MHz/Matrox Mystique/Sound Blaster AWE 32 Value
Pentium 3 733MHz/3dfx Voodoo 3 3000/Aureal Vortex 2 (Diamond Monster Sound)
Pentium 4 HT 3.0GHz/GeForce FX 5500/Creative Audigy 2
Core2 Quad Q9400/GeForce 8800GT/Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty

Reply 1 of 3, by songoffall

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Here's the first recovered computer of the bunch, a Compaq Deskpro 2000 5133 with 16Mb FPM RAM, which I will a to EDO (32/64Mb should be enough), I have already added an ESS AudioDrive ES-1869 ISA sound card, because I am planning to use it for both DOS and Windows95 gaming.

The CPU is Pentium 133 (non-MMX), the 256Kb PBSRAM coast module is present. The chipset is Intel 430HX (Triton II). Guess the lack of support for MMX Pentium processors is due to the VRM, and would take extensive modding to allow both 3.3v and the 2.5v for MMX CPUs. I could go with an MMX Overdrive, but eh, I'd rather just build an MMX PC from scratch and have a non-MMX PC too.

P2 300MHz/Matrox Mystique/Sound Blaster AWE 32 Value
Pentium 3 733MHz/3dfx Voodoo 3 3000/Aureal Vortex 2 (Diamond Monster Sound)
Pentium 4 HT 3.0GHz/GeForce FX 5500/Creative Audigy 2
Core2 Quad Q9400/GeForce 8800GT/Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty

Reply 2 of 3, by songoffall

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So, if anyone has to deal with a Deskpro 2000 Pentium 1 with non-MMX CPU, the setup and diagnostics is different - you need SP4711.exe for them. It creates two disks instead of three.

Spent half a day restoring the setup and diagnostics partition on this old girl.

Bonus: here's the Dell PowerEdge 2300, out of the storage and cleaned. It has a lot of pieces missing, but the important parts are all there.

P2 300MHz/Matrox Mystique/Sound Blaster AWE 32 Value
Pentium 3 733MHz/3dfx Voodoo 3 3000/Aureal Vortex 2 (Diamond Monster Sound)
Pentium 4 HT 3.0GHz/GeForce FX 5500/Creative Audigy 2
Core2 Quad Q9400/GeForce 8800GT/Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty

Reply 3 of 3, by songoffall

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Captain's log, star date 16032025

With the Pentium 133 we have finally descended into the darker ages, where the comforts of Win98SE, NUSB and at even USB 1.x are no longer available, and without a functional ethernet/FTP my ability to transfer files to and from the PC is, to put it mildly, severely limited.

The HDD this PC came with is functional, but it sounds like a tiny angle grinder, and I'm too old to put up with that - and 612Mb is too little for what I have planned for this PC anyways.

While SD2IDE makes it easier to transfer files, using it as the main storage makes the system sluggish and unresponsive. I've observed it on every system I used it on - Windows and SD do not mix well, although CF and DOS are mostly fine.

I have a 20Gb Samsung HDD in the mail, but you know how it is with these old hard drives - you never know what you're gonna get.

If you get a Compaq Deskpro 2000 5133 system (turns out in Compaq nomenclature 5 means it's a Pentium system, 133 is the frequency of the CPU it was packaged with - I also have 6233MMX, which was a (6) Pentium II (233) 233MHz), you might notice certain artifacting in Windows 95, especially in 800x600 High Color. It is not a hardware issue, but rather caused by Windows 95 included drivers for Cirrus Logic CL-GD5436. Installing the Compaq Windows 95 drivers (SP4066.EXE) fixes the issue completely.

Here's a list of softpaqs you might need for this PC:
SP4355.EXE 19 September 97
Deskpro 2000/4000/6000 Windows 95 Enhancements 1.01 Rev A

SP4066.EXE 15 September 97
Deskpro Windows 95 Graphics Drivers 1.91 Rev A

SP4711.EXE 07 October 97
Computer SETUP/V and PC Diagnostics VERSION 1.23 Rev A for Computer Setup/V 10.19 Rev A for PC Diagnostics

P2 300MHz/Matrox Mystique/Sound Blaster AWE 32 Value
Pentium 3 733MHz/3dfx Voodoo 3 3000/Aureal Vortex 2 (Diamond Monster Sound)
Pentium 4 HT 3.0GHz/GeForce FX 5500/Creative Audigy 2
Core2 Quad Q9400/GeForce 8800GT/Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty