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First post, by philipb2

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I've been tinkering with an old 486 I rescued from work. It's an XT case, with a Chicony 491E motherboard --
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/chicony-ch-491e

Currently it runs a 486sx 33. The AMI BIOS is dated April 1993. I have attempted to upgrade this to an 83mhz Pentium Overdrive, and alternately, a Kingston Turbochip 133 (AMD 5x86), rev G. No luck.
Once I've set the jumpers for DX mode (see manual available above), this is how it typically goes with either upgrade chip:

(1) I clear CMOS (JP1)
(2) Boot computer. It completes the memory test then, interestingly, says “CMOS battery low.” I have the 4mb RAM that the motherboard came with.
(3) Configure CMOS. It reboots then I usually get “CMOS memory mismatch.” I cannot get into the BIOS at this point. Keyboard is not responsive and often beeps when I press a key.

Notes -
-This motherboard does not have a clock multiplier jumper. Either of these upgrade chips should automatically handle this.
- I have a PS2 keyboard connected to the AT keyboard port via adapter. I've tried a pure AT keyboard with the POD - no difference.
- I haven't tried JP13, 14 for VLBus (0 vs 1 Wait State, CPU speed > 33mhz respectively) since I don't have any VLB cards.
- The power supply might be the original XT. I currently have a 12" VGA monitor plugged directly into the power supply. I have not tried my above steps with the monitor plugged in elsewhere. I should.

What should I check next? Power supply? Or try to upgrade the BIOS?

Reply 1 of 10, by Irq5

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Start off replacing the battery if you have not already done so. Does it boot with the original processor?

Reply 2 of 10, by Irq5

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Also if it has the varta barrel battery, it's possible that the battery has leaked and damaged traces going to the keyboard port.

Reply 3 of 10, by philipb2

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Irq5 wrote on 2025-05-07, 02:26:

Start off replacing the battery if you have not already done so. Does it boot with the original processor?

It has a relatively new 3.6v external battery; multimeter reads it at that value (not under load). It boots fine when I re-install the 486 and revert the jumpers. No errors about CMOS voltage level.

Reply 4 of 10, by philipb2

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Irq5 wrote on 2025-05-07, 02:28:

Also if it has the varta barrel battery, it's possible that the battery has leaked and damaged traces going to the keyboard port.

Yeah, the old barrel battery had barfed over the traces. I removed that some time ago and my tech guy checked the traces and sealed them.

Reply 5 of 10, by bertrammatrix

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I would double check that ALL jumper settings are correct as per the manual - even cache, FSB and other stuff you have not messed with.

Try to set cache to slowest timings and see if that helps anything.

Out of those 2 cpu I'd focus on the AMD on a board of that age. POD can be finicky at the best of times and afaik it isn't unheard of them not working at all on some boards that claim to support them.

Reply 6 of 10, by red-ray

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philipb2 wrote on 2025-05-07, 01:57:

Power supply?

I addition to what all the other guys said I would use a decent modern PSU, the one I use it total overkill, see Re: Intel 486DX4-100 @ 120MHz ?

Thus far I have never had an issue with my Intel Pentium Overdrive (P24T) which happily runs @ 100MHz, but I would get the system posting/running reliably with the original CPU.

I just looked at a dump of the BIOS for your board and it contains 80486 80486DX2 486DX or 487SX 80486SX 80386DX 80386SX 80286 Cx486SLC Cx486SLC2 Cx486DLC Cx486DLC2 Cx486S Cx486S2

Looking at my BIOS there is CPU = 386 386SX 386SL 486 486SX 486SX2 486DX2 486DX4 487SX386/486 Cyrix Cx486SLC Cyrix Cx486DLC IBM 386SLC IBM 486SLC2 P24T P24D Pentium Cyrix Cx486S Cyrix Cx486S2 Blue Lightning Cyrix Cx486DX Cyrix Cx486DX2

My suspicion is that a DX2 is the best the may be possible.

Reply 7 of 10, by Intel486dx33

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That motherboard is too old.
Win 3x Era

Set your Motherboard jumpers for a 486dx-33
This setting is what is recommended by the OverDrive CPU chips in a 486 motherboard.

Also double check the jumpers on you Overdrive chip if there are any.

In the end you motherboard is designed for a 5 volt CPU
Maybe a 5-volt 486dx2-66mhz CPU at best or 486dx-50

That is Good enough to play most DOS games.

If you want Pentium Performance then your best bet is to get another computer with NEWER motherboard that Supports the Pentium
CPU. It less expensive this way too.

Pentium 200 or faster.
These were very popular CPU’s back in Windows-95 Era.

Also Win-95 was Designed to support the 486 CPU too.
All you need is 8mb of RAM too for Best performance.
I think Win95 is the Best OS for the 486 or 1st gen Pentium CPU

Reply 8 of 10, by philipb2

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red-ray wrote on 2025-05-07, 07:39:
I just looked at a dump of the BIOS for your board and it contains 80486 80486DX2 486DX or 487SX 80486SX 80386DX 80386SX […]
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philipb2 wrote on 2025-05-07, 01:57:

Power supply?

I just looked at a dump of the BIOS for your board and it contains 80486 80486DX2 486DX or 487SX 80486SX 80386DX 80386SX 80286 Cx486SLC Cx486SLC2 Cx486DLC Cx486DLC2 Cx486S Cx486S2

Looking at my BIOS there is CPU = 386 386SX 386SL 486 486SX 486SX2 486DX2 486DX4 487SX386/486 Cyrix Cx486SLC Cyrix Cx486DLC IBM 386SLC IBM 486SLC2 P24T P24D Pentium Cyrix Cx486S Cyrix Cx486S2 Blue Lightning Cyrix Cx486DX Cyrix Cx486DX2

My suspicion is that a DX2 is the best the may be possible.

Thanks. My BIOS image is from April 1993.... do you know if there were newer ones, or how I can find that out?

Reply 9 of 10, by philipb2

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red-ray wrote on 2025-05-07, 07:39:
philipb2 wrote on 2025-05-07, 01:57:

Power supply?

Thus far I have never had an issue with my Intel Pentium Overdrive (P24T) which happily runs @ 100MHz, but I would get the system posting/running reliably with the original CPU.

I was able to reinstall the original SX33, revert the jumpers and get it posting/running just fine, as it was before.

Reply 10 of 10, by red-ray

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philipb2 wrote on 2025-05-08, 02:47:

My BIOS image is from April 1993.... do you know if there were newer ones, or how I can find that out?

At least it's now running, do you have a DX2 you could try?

I looked in the one from the site you linked to and it's dated 04/04/93 so guess it's the one you have. When it posts do you see a string similar to 404-263-8181, maybe longer? If so then feed it to Google and see if it finds a later BIOS.

file.php?id=218836

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2025-05-07, 10:24:

I think Win95 is the Best OS for the 486 or 1st gen Pentium CPU

That's an opinion, it all depends on what you wish to use it for, for me for an i486 it's Windows NT V4.00 and on my only P5, an Intel Pentium MMX Overdrive (P55C) [oxB1] SL2FF @ 200MHz I run XP !

I feel Best OS and Windows 95 are oxymoron's