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First post, by Danger Manfred

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Hi, as the title says, I'm simply unable to decide what graphics card to use with my AMD K6-2+ 570.

Part of the problem is that I do not really know the internal performance ranking of S3 cards, but I also simply have too many cards that could fit the bill.

So I thought maybe one of you might have an idea.

For context:

I already have a system using my Vodoo 2 and Voodoo 3 (AGP) cards, using VIA C3 Nehemiah 1.2 GHz CPUs.

The AMD K6-2+ is clearly slower than that (the Nehemiah clocks up to 1.4 GHz on stock voltage and is then equivalent to a PIII 700), so this system will be used for the older games, DOS and Windows, instead.

It's running on a Gigabyte GA-5AX (https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/gigaby … -ga-5ax-rev-3.0), so probably an AGP card?

I believe I lack fast PCI cards, I seem to have mostly slow ones.

As for the list of my graphics cards, I couldn't write them all down so I made a picture of the (non-boxed) ones instead.

Reply 1 of 11, by mwdmeyer

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Sorry cannot read the names on the boxes, image is too small.

Need to be careful with high powered AGP cards in SS7 mobos. Does yours have a bypass jumper, some SS7 boards have one to allow higher powered cards.

I've got a TNT2 Ultra in my K6-3+ which works great, although depending on the games you play a GeForce 2 might be nice with HW T&L.

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Reply 2 of 11, by Trashbytes

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Throw a Geforce 2 GTS in there and a pair of voodoo2 12Mb cards and it'll cover pretty much every game you want to throw at a SS7 system, add a EAX or A3D card for that icing on the top. (Could even throw both EAX and A3D in there, output the EAX card through the A3D card and you can have both, bonus is the A3D card should work just fine in DOS too)

My own SS7 K6 3+ box has a Voodoo5 5500 and the dual EAX/A3D setup in it and its a pretty beastly setup. I have a Geforce 2 Ultra I could throw at it but the V5 is cooler and I don't need eat 2 PCI slots to run V2 SLI.

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Reply 3 of 11, by Intel486dx33

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What ever you decide make sure you get some good cooling case and fans.
This K6 CPU runs HOT
And the 3dfx GPU chip runs HOT too.
You want your build to last so you want some good cooling.

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Reply 4 of 11, by Trashbytes

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2025-05-09, 07:28:
What ever you decide make sure you get some good cooling case and fans. This K6 CPU runs HOT And the 3dfx GPU chip runs HOT too. […]
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What ever you decide make sure you get some good cooling case and fans.
This K6 CPU runs HOT
And the 3dfx GPU chip runs HOT too.
You want you build to last so you want some good cooling.

K6 2+ is only a 2volt CPU, it doesn't run that hot, the 3DFX chips do get warm but they are designed to run at that temp so really you just need good case cooling no need to go overboard.

Reply 5 of 11, by Danger Manfred

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Hi, so first of all, thanks for the replies and your cool ideas!

Since I already have two other systems for the only V2 and V3 cards I own, I was going to use this without one.
So what I have are cards like an S3 Virge GX2, Savage 4 Pro, Nvidia Riva, Riva TNT 2 Pro, Geforce 2 MX, Geforce 2 Ti, Geforce 3 Ti 200, Geforce 4 MX 460, Geforce 4 Ti 4800SE, and also some Matrox G400 non-Pro, Parhelia 512, Radeon 7200 SDR, everything from the 9000 series, and an STB Kyro I AGP, but I guess I will pass on the Matrox/ATI/Kyro stuff because there are compatibility issues to some more picky DOS games like Commander Keen, Jazz Jackrabbit and most important: Pinball Fantasies.

For cooling, I use a beefy socket 462 cooler with an 80x25mm Noctua fan on the CPU, so there's nothing to worry about on that front.

Also here is a better picture of my graphics card collection, since I didn't notice the one before was too small. So here is the original. Thanks for telling me!

Edit: now I noticed how blurry it is towards the bottom, oh well. Gonna make a new one later.

Reply 6 of 11, by Trashbytes

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Throw the Geforce 2 Ti in there not sure the Geforce 3 Ti200 would be worth it but that's also an ok option.

If you dont care about shaders then that MX460 would be balling too, its one of them oddities that never really sold a lot but was better than its MX440 cousin.

Reply 7 of 11, by Joseph_Joestar

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Trashbytes wrote on 2025-05-09, 08:32:

Throw the Geforce 2 Ti in there not sure the Geforce 3 Ti200 would be worth it but that's also an ok option.

If you dont care about shaders then that MX460 would be balling too, its one of them oddities that never really sold a lot but was better than its MX440 cousin.

A couple of years ago, @bloodem posted an excellent analysis of GeForce 2 and GeForce 4 MX cards on an overclocked K6-2+ 570 MHz.

Basically, there was little difference between GeForce 2 MX and Ti cards on that system, and the GeForce 4 MX440 was impacted too much by the driver overhead to be competitive.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 980Ti / X-Fi Titanium

Reply 8 of 11, by Trashbytes

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2025-05-09, 09:00:
Trashbytes wrote on 2025-05-09, 08:32:

Throw the Geforce 2 Ti in there not sure the Geforce 3 Ti200 would be worth it but that's also an ok option.

If you dont care about shaders then that MX460 would be balling too, its one of them oddities that never really sold a lot but was better than its MX440 cousin.

A couple of years ago, @bloodem posted an excellent analysis of GeForce 2 and GeForce 4 MX cards on an overclocked K6-2+ 570 MHz.

Basically, there was little difference between GeForce 2 MX and Ti cards on that system, and the GeForce 4 MX440 was impacted too much by the driver overhead to be competitive.

I wonder why it has a higher driver overhead since its well still a Geforce 2 MX400 at its core.

Reply 9 of 11, by Joseph_Joestar

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Trashbytes wrote on 2025-05-09, 09:11:

I wonder why it has a higher driver overhead since its well still a Geforce 2 MX400 at its core.

Not sure, as I don't have a SS7 system myself, but @bloodem did a lot of testing on that platform.

From what I understand, using later drivers will result in reduced performance on SS7 compared to sticking with period correct driver versions. These earlier drivers (like version 6.31 from September of 2000) can be used for GeForce 2 cards, while GeForce 4 MX cards require 30.82 drivers (released in July of 2002) or newer.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 980Ti / X-Fi Titanium

Reply 10 of 11, by Danger Manfred

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Sounds like I should just stick to my Geforce 2 Ti, simply because that's the fastest cards I have that works with that old driver generation.
Might not be much faster than a Geforce 2 MX, but why not use it if I have it, and also I have a professional 21" CRT that supports extremely high resolutions up to 2048x1536 @75Hz 32bit, which of course neither the CPU nor the GF2 series will be any fun with, but it's at least possible I'll use a resolution higher than 1024x768.

Reply 11 of 11, by bertrammatrix

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Danger Manfred wrote on 2025-05-09, 08:17:
Hi, so first of all, thanks for the replies and your cool ideas! […]
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Hi, so first of all, thanks for the replies and your cool ideas!

Since I already have two other systems for the only V2 and V3 cards I own, I was going to use this without one.
So what I have are cards like an S3 Virge GX2, Savage 4 Pro, Nvidia Riva, Riva TNT 2 Pro, Geforce 2 MX, Geforce 2 Ti, Geforce 3 Ti 200, Geforce 4 MX 460, Geforce 4 Ti 4800SE, and also some Matrox G400 non-Pro, Parhelia 512, Radeon 7200 SDR, everything from the 9000 series, and an STB Kyro I AGP, but I guess I will pass on the Matrox/ATI/Kyro stuff because there are compatibility issues to some more picky DOS games like Commander Keen, Jazz Jackrabbit and most important: Pinball Fantasies.

For cooling, I use a beefy socket 462 cooler with an 80x25mm Noctua fan on the CPU, so there's nothing to worry about on that front.

Also here is a better picture of my graphics card collection, since I didn't notice the one before was too small. So here is the original. Thanks for telling me!

Edit: now I noticed how blurry it is towards the bottom, oh well. Gonna make a new one later.

I'd recommend the GF2 Ti. The GF3 is already on the overkill side, and some older DX games that would be playable on that setup may actually be a bit faster with the GF2. Compatibility with older stuff should be top notch.