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First post, by dbellue1

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Does anyone own one of these boards and have you installed windows 95 on it using an 120gb ssd?

Reply 1 of 15, by dbellue1

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Does anyone know if the is a program like HWiFO 32 that works with windows 95. I am trying to get all the information I can on this 430 HX motherboard. I have been trying for a few days to clone the windows 95 hdd to an sdd, but it cannot see it. Thanks.

Reply 2 of 15, by myne

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Does it show in the bios, and fdisk?

If yes, find an old copy of Norton ghost.
Do not change the sizes of partitions when ghosting.

Frankly I'm assuming that it doesn't. The best bet to get it too work somewhat without biosmods is to set a "custom hdd" in the bios.

You'll probably get it working with something like 15 heads 254cyl and 65534 sectors - which is well below the actual size but should at least be reliably usable. I'm going off memory here so don't bet on it being right. I'm simply saying one less than the Max value for each.

Then look in fdisk and try ghost

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Re: The thing no one asked for: KICAD 440bx reference schematic

Reply 3 of 15, by dbellue1

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Does it show in the bios, and fdisk?
If yes, find an old copy of Norton ghost.
Do not change the sizes of partitions when ghosting.
Frankly I'm assuming that it doesn't. The best bet to get it too work somewhat without biosmods is to set a "custom hdd" in the bios.
You'll probably get it working with something like 15 heads 254cyl and 65534 sectors - which is well below the actual size but should at least be reliably usable. I'm going off memory here so don't bet on it being right. I'm simply saying one less than the Max value for each.
Then look in fdisk and try ghost

Yes sir, it does show in the bios, and fdisk. In the bios it shows up as 8455 MB. The only time I can make it to fdisk is when first connecting the SSD's. I did not use the format command though. After it restarts the bootdisk, it just hangs and doesn't go into setup.
I think there is a copy of Norton ghost on my Hirens version 7 I can try and use. I think I read to start over and remove the MBR from the ssd, if one was created after using fdisk.
I did try and set a custome hdd but got nowhere, I can try again and see if I can put in your numbers.
Tuesday I should get two different types of IDE to SATA converters from ebay, maybe that will help the bios see the ssd.
Thank you for the ideas.

Reply 4 of 15, by myne

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Question about Normal and LBA bios setting

That has more info on hdd limits.

But, since it's 8gb it should work.
Try making a 2gb primary partition in fdisk.
Then try formatting it.

If windows then sees it, it should be ok.
Just know that you shouldn't mess with it or dream about using the full 120gb.

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Convert old ASUS ASC boardviews to KICAD PCB!
Re: A comprehensive guide to install and play MechWarrior 2 on new versions on Windows.
Dos+Windows 3.11+tcp+vbe_svga auto-install iso template
Script to backup Win9x\ME drivers from a working install
Re: The thing no one asked for: KICAD 440bx reference schematic

Reply 5 of 15, by dbellue1

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Some pictures of failure.

Reply 6 of 15, by myne

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It looks like it's working.
Weird both partitions are named the same though.
Couldn't hurt to turn on 32bit xfer.

What is the issue? No boot?

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Convert old ASUS ASC boardviews to KICAD PCB!
Re: A comprehensive guide to install and play MechWarrior 2 on new versions on Windows.
Dos+Windows 3.11+tcp+vbe_svga auto-install iso template
Script to backup Win9x\ME drivers from a working install
Re: The thing no one asked for: KICAD 440bx reference schematic

Reply 7 of 15, by dbellue1

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Thank you for all your advice on this.
I was able to install Windows 95 on this 430HX motherboard using two things. A Promise FastTrak 100 Tx2 card with a StarTech 40-Pin IDE to SATA converter card. I appreciate everyone who gave me advice and the many posts I looked at on using raid cards as a hard drive controller. I love Vogons so much. I hope anyone else who gets one of these motherboards and wants to install an SSD will find this post and find it useful.
Thank you so much!

Reply 8 of 15, by dbellue1

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I wanted to give a special thanks to PhilsComputer Lab. Watching his videos on YouTube is really inspirational for me. If it were not for him, I would never had thought I could accomplish these things.

Reply 9 of 15, by dbellue1

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After I got the hard drive going with parts I had and did not think to use together, I got this in the mail today. What's the saying a day late and a dollar short? I read about this on the other pages about getting hard drives working where they aren't supposed to work. Many people suggested using this card. So I am the proud owner of a Promise SATA 300 TX4. I'm not going to install it now because of the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". If I need it in the future, I have it. "Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it". This does NOT make me a hoarder! Or am I? Thanks again to everyone who gave me advice.

Reply 10 of 15, by dbellue1

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P.S. If I upgrade the CD-ROM drive, and I will, I will put this card in use, and maybe by more for the TX, and BX.

Reply 11 of 15, by dbellue1

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I think my next project for the 430HX would be to replace the fans with Noctua fans, since this work out well for the TX.

Reply 12 of 15, by dbellue1

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I forgot to share this as an inspirational thing for all who try and install Windows 95. It is such a beautiful thing!

Reply 13 of 15, by dbellue1

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Someone messaged me about the device cage that came with the case. This thing is proprietary to say the least.

Reply 14 of 15, by dbellue1

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5 more pictures

Reply 15 of 15, by dbellue1

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I included in picture 10 the type of screw that came with the system to screw in devices. I can only imagine what a case would look like that came with all the mounting brackets that originally came with these systems. I don't know what is holding the zip drive in, I took a few minutes and took out the screws and cables, but there is a special mounting bracket for it I could not figure out. With all the screws removed it would not move an inch. I think it has special mounting like the floppy drive does. Like the floppy drive that metal strip on top goes around to the bottom to hold it in place. Wow these were premium cases!