Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

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Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby retro games 100 » 2008-7-07 @ 20:14

I see that a Roland LAPC-I is currently on ebay for 250Euro :shocked:

But where are all the other great old ISA soundcards, such as top-of-the-range Ensoniq and GUS cards, which were released approximately 6 years after this Roland model?

Are they all :dead: ?
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby Qbix » 2008-7-07 @ 20:19

you are aware that this forum is actually for emulation of old pcs and old pc hardware ?
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby retro games 100 » 2008-7-07 @ 20:21

Hello. Sorry about that.
Please can you tell me of a better forum for old PC hardware, and I'll ask my questions there instead.
Thanks a lot.
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby MiniMax » 2008-7-07 @ 22:05

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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby retro games 100 » 2008-7-08 @ 08:29

Thanks for the link. Any new topics about PC, hardware, etc - I'll post in that forum section instead.
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby Great Hierophant » 2008-7-09 @ 02:13

Qbix wrote:you are aware that this forum is actually for emulation of old pcs and old pc hardware ?


I have often thought that for a forum for the "emulation" of old PC hardware, it is almost exclusively used for how to get old PC hardware working, which is the best hardware, how compatible it is. The actual emulation is rarely discussed and most would not really be able to contribute to such a discussion.
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby crash. » 2008-7-09 @ 02:53

I personally misinterpreted the forum description to mean:

Emulation of old PCs
PC hardware
PC peripherals

rather than the intended:

Emulation of old PCs
Emulation of old PC hardware
Emulation of old PC peripherals

It does seem that a dedicated forum related to old PCs and hardware would be useful here, since hardware issues are a big part of getting older games to work on newer systems. A big part of my challenges arise from the almost unavoidable mixing of PC, hardware, OS, and games that all come from different time periods.

I suggest a new forum be created dedicated to old PCs and hardware, and propose the name Marvin.

Cheers!
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby retro games 100 » 2008-7-09 @ 12:07

Very good comments. Message to the Owners & Moderators: how about allowing discussion of old PCs and their associated components inside a new forum section?
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby Freddo » 2008-7-09 @ 14:59

I use a Soundblaster 16 ISA + Yamaha XG50 daughterboard in my DOS computer. 100% compatibility and arguably the best MIDI possible. Works wonderfully.
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Postby Amigaz » 2008-7-09 @ 15:59

Freddo wrote:I use a Soundblaster 16 ISA + Yamaha XG50 daughterboard in my DOS computer. 100% compatibility and arguably the best MIDI possible. Works wonderfully.


Nothing beats the SCC-1 for GM midi since most stuff was made for the Roland Sound Canvas :happyhappy:
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby retro games 100 » 2008-7-09 @ 16:25

The Yamaha DB is a great add-on card - glad you like it!! :happy: I have mine attached to an old non-PnP AWE32.

I was very lucky the other day - I got my first scb-55! :happyhappy:

Amigaz, do you have an scc-1b? Is that the sound card which is the same (sonically speaking) as the scb-55 daughterboard?

I love listening to the 6 demo tunes which come with the scc-1 utility setup software! :happy:
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby Qbix » 2008-7-10 @ 06:18

crash. wrote:I personally misinterpreted the forum description to mean:

Emulation of old PCs
PC hardware
PC peripherals

rather than the intended:

Emulation of old PCs
Emulation of old PC hardware
Emulation of old PC peripherals

It does seem that a dedicated forum related to old PCs and hardware would be useful here, since hardware issues are a big part of getting older games to work on newer systems. A big part of my challenges arise from the almost unavoidable mixing of PC, hardware, OS, and games that all come from different time periods.

I suggest a new forum be created dedicated to old PCs and hardware, and propose the name Marvin.

Cheers!


I'll consider it. Or renaming this one.
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby crash. » 2008-7-10 @ 08:23

I think this forum is needed, but sorry for misunderstanding the description portion. I think i also saw lots of hardware discussion here so I assumed it was the correct place.
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman » 2008-7-11 @ 03:38

Great Hierophant wrote:
Qbix wrote:you are aware that this forum is actually for emulation of old pcs and old pc hardware ?


I have often thought that for a forum for the "emulation" of old PC hardware, it is almost exclusively used for how to get old PC hardware working,

Couldn't agree more. Most threads here are about the hardware itself instead of emulating them. It seems more people (including myself) are interested in how to get old hardware working instead of emulating old PC hardware. When was the last time we discussed about emulating Rendition Verite chip, for instance?



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I suggest a new forum be created dedicated to old PCs and hardware, and propose the name Marvin.

Cheers!


I'll consider it. Or renaming this one.

I'll go for the latter if I were you; this forum is already full of hardware threads anyway.
Never thought this thread would be that long, but now, for something different.....

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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby Amigaz » 2008-7-11 @ 06:56

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
Great Hierophant wrote:
Qbix wrote:you are aware that this forum is actually for emulation of old pcs and old pc hardware ?


I have often thought that for a forum for the "emulation" of old PC hardware, it is almost exclusively used for how to get old PC hardware working,

Couldn't agree more. Most threads here are about the hardware itself instead of emulating them. It seems more people (including myself) are interested in how to get old hardware working instead of emulating old PC hardware. When was the last time we discussed about emulating Rendition Verite chip, for instance?



Qbix wrote:
I suggest a new forum be created dedicated to old PCs and hardware, and propose the name Marvin.

Cheers!


I'll consider it. Or renaming this one.

I'll go for the latter if I were you; this forum is already full of hardware threads anyway.



Nothing beats the real thing :wink:

I personally only use emulation to try things out......running games on authentic hardware made to run the software feels more authentic

There's lots of people here with vast knowledge in old hardware so I'm very grateful that I can get help here since I didn't even own a PC until year 2000 so I missed the whole DOS game era :pppt:
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby 5u3 » 2008-7-21 @ 14:13

About the emulation of old PCs vs. ancient PC hardware issue: It's obvious that this forum section was meant for emulation topics rather than discussing about real legacy PC hardware, but the latter subject got predominant here. It's easy to see why: Just enter some specific legacy hardware search terms into Google, and a VOGONS thread will come up on the first results page, often being the only one with relevant information.

VOGONS has (most likely unintentionally) become one of the best forums available concerning old PC hardware. I'm well aware that setting up a separate section for this stuff means a lot of work for the maintainers, but it would be a really nice solution.
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Postby DosFreak » 2008-7-21 @ 14:21

We've been discussing it in the moderators forum. Should be coming soon. (soon being relative of course)
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Postby Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman » 2008-7-23 @ 23:05

Hm, I wonder what will be left to discuss if this particular forum is strictly set for discussing emulation of old pcs and old pc hardware. We already have this and this for discussing 3dfx Voodoo emulation, this for discussing MT-32 emulation, and this for discussing a 386 family CPU emulator which has its own particular, quite familiar shell ;) , and I doubt we'll discuss about emulating Rendition Verite hardware really soon.

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Postby Malik » 2008-7-24 @ 03:34

Shouldn't emulation of old pc be restricted to Dosbox, Virtual Pc, etc.?
I think just renaming this forum by removing the word "emulation" from the title of this thread would be more appropriate. Even I was thinking that we discuss only the actual hardware in this section.
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Re: Good ISA sound cards seem to be thin on the ground these days!

Postby retro games 100 » 2008-7-28 @ 14:05

A new Vogons forum opened recently called Marvin, where we can talk about old PCs! :happyhappy:
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