MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

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MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby wishbringer » 2011-5-01 @ 22:16

Hello, new to the forum in need of help.

Setup:
AWE32
MUSIC QUEST MXX-32M MPU
MT-32 original.
midi din cables.

I have no interest in a dosbox / emulation setup.

I am a total noob to this. Always wanted to hear Roland as a kid in games and now the reality is near!. I have 4 ports on the mpu-ipc and I have my mpu-401 cable for the sound card. I don't even know if I have everything hooked up properly.

Sounds are messed up. The mt-32 is not receiving the sierra sounds / patch before startup.. no sound programming.

What is the correct way to hook up the cords and what else could I be missing?
thank you for your time.

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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2011-5-01 @ 23:05

Any chance you can take some pictures of everything?

The way to hook it up is:

MIDI-OUT from the Music Quest goes into MIDI-IN from the MT-32.

And that's it.

You could have a resource conflict with the AWE32, so make sure you resolve that. Try the Music Quest on it's own if you can.

Here are 3 options to hook up a MT-32:

Option 1: Soundcard with a MPU401 port + joystick port to midi cable + MT32.

Main benefit: Many soundcards have this port
Main drawback: Doesn't support the "intelligent mode", so some games won't work (though many will). "Hanging note" bug on many Sound Blaster cards.

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Option 2: A Roland MPU401 or compatible (mine is a clone) card + midi cable + MT-32

Main benefit: Supports "intelligent mode", so every game should work.
Main downside: Harder to find / expensive

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Option 3 (For DOSBox): A machine that runs DOSBox + USB midi interface + MT-32

Main benefit: Really really cheap (Like 5 bucks shipped) and easy to obtain (ebay).

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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby wishbringer » 2011-5-02 @ 03:45

These pictures should do the job!.
I will lose all music if i unplug either port
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2011-5-02 @ 05:35

Yea, pullout all cables.

Only 1 cable you need:

Music Quest MIDI - OUT > MT-32 MIDI - IN.

No other cables!

And don't init AWE32 just yet, cos you might have conflict with the MIDI port.
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby wishbringer » 2011-5-02 @ 05:42

If I do that, then it goes silent.. getting music now only with both hooked up with the wrong insturments.. i never get the mt-32 sound profile uploaded before the games starts.

Ill pull the awe32 now and do what you suggested.
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby wishbringer » 2011-5-02 @ 05:51

Pulling the sound card doesnt make sense.. Unless if I am missing something.

I did pull the awe32 out though as you suggested and it results in total lose of the option to even pick roland mt-32 in the sierra setup.. I thought before hand all 3 parts work together.. the sound card, mpu-ipc and the mt-32.
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2011-5-02 @ 05:58

wishbringer wrote:I did pull it though as you suggested and it results in total lose of the option to even pick roland mt-32 in the sierra setup


Then the Music Quest isn't working, or isn't MPU401 compatible...

Leave the AWE out and focus on getting the Music Quest going.

EDIT:

If there are jumpers / switches, make sure its set to IRQ 2 or 9 and Address 330.
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby wishbringer » 2011-5-02 @ 06:03

its set for 2/9 .. 260
just tried 330 no change..
thanks for the support so far.
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2011-5-02 @ 06:15

Maybe someone else can tell us if this card is indeed Roland MPU401 compatible.

Is there anything on the box or in the manual that might answer this question?

Because some ISA Midi cards are for Windows and aren't MPU401 compatible anymore.
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby wishbringer » 2011-5-02 @ 06:41

i did not receive any box or paperwork beyond a printout of a manual the guy sent me who i purchased from.. ill scour that tomorrow. off to bed..
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby megatron-uk » 2011-5-02 @ 08:18

It's strange that it needs a driver/tsr loading - as per that DOS screen. None of the other cards that provide an MPU401 device require one - they just get an interrupt and a IO port.

Can you try it without the driver/tsr loaded?
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby collector » 2011-5-02 @ 08:22

Mau1wurf1977 wrote:Yea, pullout all cables.

Only 1 cable you need:

Music Quest MIDI - OUT > MT-32 MIDI - IN.

No other cables!
Well, you need the audio out from the MT-32 to audio in of an amplifier or the sound card.
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2011-5-02 @ 08:41

collector wrote:Well, you need the audio out from the MT-32 to audio in of an amplifier or the sound card.


You are of course correct!
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby wishbringer » 2011-5-02 @ 18:18

IT WORKS PERFECT!..

Thanks everyone.. When I went to change the address to 330 yesterday I changed the wrong jumpers.. so its working with my sound card pulled with the irq 2/9 setting and 330 address on the music quest!. now to just work out the sound card conflict and im good..

I was getting a exe checksum error.. bumped the cpu down from a 486dx100 to a 486sx33 and the file loaded after that!.
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2011-5-03 @ 01:06

Awesome!

Sometimes a good nights sleep is all it takes LOL

Basically what you want to do next is either disable, or configure the MPU401 of the AWE32 to something other than 330. 300 for example.

On the AWE64 you can use CTCU to reconfigure resources and even disable the MPU401 port. This might be similar with your model, or it might not. There might be jumpers as well.

Basically it differs from card to card, but there is always a way LOL
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Postby wishbringer » 2011-5-03 @ 01:19

Cool cool.. yup I was totaly exhausted.. got it first thing in the morning though. pretty sure though last night it wouldnt work stand alone (awe32 removed) at address 260.. not sure why it needs to be 330.. THANKS!
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Re: MT-32 will not receive programed sounds from sierra games. USING orig mt-32 with MQX-32 mpu-ipc on a 486.

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2011-5-03 @ 01:25

Address 330 is the default. Pretty much all games look at that address.

Some games allow you to specify an address, such as 300 or 260 in your case, but not all games have this option.

330 "just works" and with every game...
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Postby laffer35 » 2011-5-03 @ 02:14

Nice to hear you got it working, congrats :)
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