I would start here :

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/107001-compat … ith-windows-9x/

Also, try this for searching VOGONS:

http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=00369016803 … 303:h_eico44pgu

I remember that topic, I think Nvidia 6 series was the latest with Win9x support, might have been Series 7 too!

There are FX5700 PCI on ebay.

For AGP it's GeForce 6800 Ultra (Ultra Extreme if you can find one but they're rare) and for PCI it's GeForce 6200 PCI. Don't bother with anything from the FX line in PCI, they're all horrible. The 6200 beats them all despite being a bottom end card. The fastest ATi cards you'll find are the 9800XT in AGP or the 9100 in PCI but a Radeon 9100 in PCI is extremely hard to find. I've been searching for a long time for one.

I think it was the nVidia 6xxx series that had the latest 9x driver builds.

On the ATi/AMD side I think the 9xxx was the latest series to have 9x driver builds.

I currently have a few different GPU's for both nVidia and ATi/AMD for my dual-boot 9x/2K build machine.

Interesting to note that some of the glide wrappers work really well on both 9x and 2k for me, maybe your milieage will vary, but I still have a V5 card too.

sliderider wrote:

Don't bother with anything from the FX line in PCI

or any other bus for that matter. There's PCI-E FX's too

leileilol wrote:

sliderider wrote:

Don't bother with anything from the FX line in PCI

or any other bus for that matter. There's PCI-E FX's too

I only mentioned that because someone else mentioned the FX5700 and even though it sounds faster because of the 7 in it, the 6200 is still better.

sliderider wrote:

For AGP it's GeForce 6800 Ultra (Ultra Extreme if you can find one but they're rare) and for PCI it's GeForce 6200 PCI. Don't bother with anything from the FX line in PCI, they're all horrible. The 6200 beats them all despite being a bottom end card. The fastest ATi cards you'll find are the 9800XT in AGP or the 9100 in PCI but a Radeon 9100 in PCI is extremely hard to find. I've been searching for a long time for one.

What about the 9250? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc … 4186&CatId=1603

This store web site says the card works with win98. Are they misinformed? If not, is the 9250 better than 9100?

ATi - Radeon X8xx with Catalyst 6.2.
Nvidia - 6xxx with Forceware 80.

So, you have the choice from GF 6800 Ultra and Radeon X850 PE.

was wondering when somebody will check the first link 😉
GeForce 6 --- AGP & PCIe (6800 last card to be officially supported by nVIDIA)
GeForce 7 --- AGP & PCIe (Requires UnOfficial Driver)
GeForce 8 --- AGP & PCIe (Requires UnOfficial Driver)

6200 will only be faster then fx5700 in ps 2.0 performance.

An nVidia 7950GT with RAM desoldered (limited to) 256 MB should be the fastest reliable nvidia AGP card for Win9x. I have not yet tested that, though. A 7900GT is the next closest candidate.
The 7950GX2 is out of the question, 8xxx high end cards are PCIE only and very unstable with the unoffical driver. I have an XFX 7900GS (256 MB), this works very well, except for the usual freeze-at-shutdown issue (must reset 1st, then hardware switch off)

BigBodZod wrote:

I think it was the nVidia 6xxx series that had the latest 9x driver builds. […]
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I think it was the nVidia 6xxx series that had the latest 9x driver builds.

On the ATi/AMD side I think the 9xxx was the latest series to have 9x driver builds.

I currently have a few different GPU's for both nVidia and ATi/AMD for my dual-boot 9x/2K build machine.

Interesting to note that some of the glide wrappers work really well on both 9x and 2k for me, maybe your milieage will vary, but I still have a V5 card too.

The 9x drivers, at least for the R3x0 line, from my experience, really suck - especially for older games. But then again I wouldn't want to use such a card for a 9x machine anyway. The NVIDIA ones seem to have fewer issues, but are still quite flakey, since by the GF6 era driver development was more focused on 2K/XP.

Jan3Sobieski wrote:

sliderider wrote:

For AGP it's GeForce 6800 Ultra (Ultra Extreme if you can find one but they're rare) and for PCI it's GeForce 6200 PCI. Don't bother with anything from the FX line in PCI, they're all horrible. The 6200 beats them all despite being a bottom end card. The fastest ATi cards you'll find are the 9800XT in AGP or the 9100 in PCI but a Radeon 9100 in PCI is extremely hard to find. I've been searching for a long time for one.

What about the 9250? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc … 4186&CatId=1603

This store web site says the card works with win98. Are they misinformed? If not, is the 9250 better than 9100?

The 9100 was actually a slightly downclocked 8500. The 9200/9250 were reworked to bring the cost down so they are missing some of the functional units of the 8500/9100 and are clocked even lower. Between the 9200 and 9250, the 9200 is actually the faster of the two.

Jolaes76 wrote:

An nVidia 7950GT with RAM desoldered (limited to) 256 MB should be the fastest reliable nvidia AGP card for Win9x. I have not yet tested that, though. A 7900GT is the next closest candidate.
The 7950GX2 is out of the question, 8xxx high end cards are PCIE only and very unstable with the unoffical driver. I have an XFX 7900GS (256 MB), this works very well, except for the usual freeze-at-shutdown issue (must reset 1st, then hardware switch off)

There is no Win 9x driver for nVidia after the GeForce6 cards.

sliderider wrote:

The 9100 was actually a slightly downclocked 8500. The 9200/9250 were reworked to bring the cost down so they are missing some of the functional units of the 8500/9100 and are clocked even lower. Between the 9200 and 9250, the 9200 is actually the faster of the two.

9100 = rebadged 8500LE (250/500 MHz respective core and memory frequencies as opposed to 275/550 on the "normal" 8500). Essentially the 92x0 is just the 9000 series with added AGP 8x support. And as usual beware of the "SE" variants (which are usually trimmed to a 64-bit memory interface).

I wouldn't use anything from ATI before 9700 anyway because those chips generally suck for everything compared to a Geforce of similar age.

swaaye wrote:

I wouldn't use anything from ATI before 9700 anyway because those chips generally suck for everything compared to a Geforce of similar age.

if you are about ati9700 then include the 9500 too, they are the same family, only the 9000/9100/9200 belongs to the older r200 family. 😁

The Radeon 8500 was pretty decent - comparable to a Geforce 3 (not the Ti 500 though) and was a bit cheaper, and was generally regarded as having better image quality.
You could also buy the 8500LE which was the same as an 8500 just with lower clocks, and there was a pencil volt mod that you could perform to allow you to overclock it up to full 8500 speeds.