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P3 1000/1100

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First post, by ncmark

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I am curious - which do P3 do you think would be faster 11 x 100 (1100 MHz) or 7.5 x 133 (1000 MHz)?

I am using the 1100 MHz chip in an apollo pro board - it *could* run at 133. I was thinking of doing some chip swapping and put the 1100 in a BX board.....

Reply 1 of 16, by swaaye

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I doubt there would be much of a difference.

Reply 3 of 16, by eL_PuSHeR

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Reply 4 of 16, by noshutdown

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there are p3-1133ghz(133*8.5) in existance, fastest coppermine p3.
using 1100 on bx is a reasonable idea, i am also after that.

Reply 5 of 16, by ratfink

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Unless there's some fundamental difference in the processor [eg p2 vs k6/2] it can be it hard to discern speed differences between cpus if they are only 10-20% apart. It's fun but often doesn't make much practical difference.

Even a 50% speed hike doesn't always knock your socks off, though in my case that's probably because I'd be comparing cpu A which is now flagging under the latest bloatware, and cpu B which is 50% faster on paper but just manages to get the PC performing how cpu A did before the last years worth of bloat.

Reply 6 of 16, by sliderider

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noshutdown wrote:

there are p3-1133ghz(133*8.5) in existance, fastest coppermine p3.
using 1100 on bx is a reasonable idea, i am also after that.

You don't want the early 1133mhz version, though. It is unstable as hell and doesn't perform well even at the settings it is meant to be run at. It was rushed out too soon so Intel could say they had something that could top the fastest Athlon. There is a later version with the bugs corrected and the performance back up to where you would expect it to be, but you have to know which one you're getting before you buy.

SL4HH is the one you want to avoid. Most were recalled but a few may have slipped the recall and still be out there, so be careful.

Reply 7 of 16, by noshutdown

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the defective SL4HH is a valued item for collection!
and its only in the form of slot1. if your mainboard is slot1 and you want a working 1.13, you must use sockslot convertor.
i have a working s370 1.13g coppermine, its not the newest coppermine-t version though.

Reply 8 of 16, by 7cjbill2

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Yeah, I've even had some odd stability issues using the 133-based 1GHz P3's, AFAIR. Of course, that may have been a MoBo issue as I remember it being hard to get some to work past 750MHz. I went with the slotket S370 1.267GHz and it worked far better on my VC820.

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caching ISA I/O-IDE controller

PM me for my list of trade-ables...

Reply 9 of 16, by jaqie

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There is nothing unstable about the 1GHz coppermine P3s with 133 FSB. I have had a multitude of them both single cpu and SMP setups, and the only time I ever have had problems either I bought a used defective cpu from someone else and it was completely DOA or I was using a motherboard with a chipset not designed for 133MHz FSB or with other reliability problems.

I have about four p3/1ghz/133 systems right now and all of them are perfectly reliable. All but one uses either serverworks or intel 815 chipsets, the odd one out uses a via chipset and is workstation class 2 cpu.

Reply 10 of 16, by 7cjbill2

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I take it, then, that you've never had the joy of working with/upgrading higher-end SGI systems.

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Reply 11 of 16, by jaqie

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x86 PCs only. intel STL2 et al.

Reply 12 of 16, by 7cjbill2

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Oh, then you are truly missing out on one of the theme parks of life...upgrading a SGI 320 or 540 CPU and RAM...I highly recommend it.

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Reply 13 of 16, by jaqie

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No thanks. I verymuch prefer staying in my niche, x86 pc hardware. 😀

Reply 14 of 16, by sliderider

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jaqie wrote:

No thanks. I verymuch prefer staying in my niche, x86 pc hardware. 😀

So I guess you haven't discovered the joys of the Sun Sparc platform yet, either?

Reply 15 of 16, by jaqie

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I don't want to. As I just said, I prefer x86 pc hardware.

Reply 16 of 16, by DonutKing

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I look after some SPARC boxes at work - has been for more robust and reliable than any x86 system. I never try to upgrade them though, beyond RAM or hard disks- I just turf em out and put a new one in their place once their time comes. I'd imagine most businesses would be the same. It's often a better ROI to get a new box with new support agreements etc then frig around CPU and OS upgrades on an outdated box. Although I think we will be moving to AIX in the coming years, since Oracle doesn't seem to know what to do with the architecture.

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