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Modern graphics on a 486

Postby feipoa » 2012-11-10 @ 02:45

From each major graphics card manufacturer, what is the most modern graphics card which will work on a SiS-, UMC-, ALi-, Intel-, VIA- or OPTI-based 486 system? "Work" is somewhat vague, but in the least, Windows 98SE drivers should install correctly. The interest here is probably more for curiosity rather than practicality.

This topic was inspired by the tread which attempted to get a RIVA TNT1 working on a UMC-based 486 motherboard, here,
http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=32712

Please also include failed attempts. I'll start this off with my own personal experience.

GLQuake -width 640 -height 480 -nosound +timedemo demo1

QuakeII
s_initsound 0
snd_restart
timedemo 1
map demo1.dm2

NOTE: At the time of testing, I was not aware of Nvidia Detonator driver versions 6.31 and 8.05, so it is possible that there are further optimisations for driver versions than what is presented below.

EDIT: A more thorough analysis of numerous 3D games on several socket 3 CPUs can be found here, viewtopic.php?p=697548#p697548

UMC 8881F/8886BF

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AMD = Am5x86-160 on Um8881-based board
IBM = IBM 5x86c-133/2x on Um8881-based board
Cyrix = Cyrix 5x86-133/4x on SiS496-based board

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Matrox Millennium G200 8/16 MB
Win95c
Display drivers v4.33c (Matrox OpenGL D3D wrapper) for all 486 CPUs (GL version v1.1). Use version v6.82 for POD (GL version 1.1.3).

IBM 5x86c-133/2x - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 16.3 fps
IBM 5x86c-133/2x - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 7.2 fps
AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 15.3 fps
AMD Am5x86-160 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 6.7 fps
Intel POD-100 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 23.4 fps (18.9 fps if using v4.33c w/wrapper)
Intel POD-100 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 11.3 fps (8.2 fps if using v4.33c w/wrapper)

WinNT4
Display drivers v5.06 (GL version 1.1.3)

IBM 5x86c-133/2x - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 14.8 fps
IBM 5x86c-133/2x - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 7.7 fps
AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 13.4 fps
AMD Am5x86-160 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 6.9 fps
Intel POD-100 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 17.1 fps
Intel POD-100 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 9.7 fps

W2K
Default W2K drivers work


Matrox Millennium G200 MMS Quad 32 MB (Either the motherboard did not turn on, did not POST, or drivers did not install - I don't recall which.)

Matrox Millennium G450 32 MB (motherboard does not turn on)

Voodoo 3 3000 16 MB (motherboard does not turn on)

Voodoo 2 1000 12 MB
I tested this along side a Matrox Millennium G200. In Win95c, I used Voodoo2 drivers 3.03.00. In WinNT4, I used Voodoo2 drivers 3.02.02. GLQuake and Quake II completed the timedemo. Results are similar to the Voodoo3 in the SiS motherboard. Much more detail on this found in this thread, http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=42880


Creative RIVA TNT 16 MB
Refer to the Diamond V550 TNT section. I tested the Creative RIVA TNT only with a Cyrix 5x86, which I later discovered does not like TNT or GeForce cards. The only drivers I could get to function with a Cyrix 5x86 were from Creative with date 24 Aug. 1998, and in Windows 9x only. Unfortunately, the OpenGL drivers would not function in Quake2 (illegal operation). NT4 and W2K display drivers would also not function with a Cyrix 5x86 CPU. Creative drivers may function fine with an Am5x86.

This graphics card has a bit of noise on the display at 640x480, 60 Hz, which lessens with increasing resolution and refresh rate.


Diamond V550 RIVA TNT 16 MB
Win95c
Diamond display drivers v5.55 (w9xv5555) function, however the Quakes don't work. NVIDIA Detonator v6.50 (GL v1.2.1) works in Win95c and with the Quakes. NVIDIA Detonator v2.08 works with the POD (6.50 may also work, but I did not test it).

AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 16.0 fps
AMD Am5x86-160 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 8.8 fps
Intel POD-100 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 29.5 fps
Intel POD-100 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 14.3 fps

WinNT4
NVIDIA Detonator v1.09 (GL v1.1.2) for Am5x86 or Diamond v2.03 (GL v1.1.0) for POD (550nt203).

AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 17.8 fps
AMD Am5x86-160 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 8.7 fps
Intel POD-100 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 25.6 fps
Intel POD-100 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 12.8 fps

NVIDIA and Diamond TNT drivers do not work with IBM/Cyrix 5x86 CPUs in Win95c and NT4. I still need to test other vendors drivers.


NVIDIA TNT2 M64 32MB (motherboard does not turn on)

eVGA NVIDIA GeForce 6200 (motherboard does not turn on)

Diamond Monster Fusion (Banshee) 16 MB (motherboard does not turn on)

PNY GeForce2 MX400 64MB
Win95c
NVIDIA Detonator v12.41 for Am5x86, however I was unable to get Direct3D working (e.g. Outlaws, MDK). OpenGL works with the Am5x86 with v12.41, however Direct3D games will require a POD. NVIDIA Detonator v77.72 for POD.

AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 26.7 fps [with sound at 1280x1024x32 = 24.4 fps]
AMD Am5x86-160 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 15.5 fps
Intel POD-100 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 36.1 fps (vs. 29.2 fps with v12.41)
Intel POD-100 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 17.5 fps (vs. 17.3 fps with v12.41)

WinNT4
For an Am5x86, the NVIDIA Detonator v6.50 (GL v1.2.1) display driver works best, however GLQuake gives a Dr. Watson error when exiting. QuakeII yields a BSOD with relation to the sound card. NVIDIA Detonator v12.41 (GL v1.2.2) works fine with the Quakes, however changing resolutions is a little slow.

For a POD, NVIDIA Detonator v29.42 (GL v1.3.1) is the best of the older drivers, however Detonator v77.72 (GL v1.5.4) yields better Quake results.

AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 28.4 fps [with sound at 1280x1024x32 = 25.6 fps]
AMD Am5x86-160 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 16.6 fps
Intel POD-100 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 36.0 fps (vs. 31.3 fps with v29.42)
Intel POD-100 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 18.6 fps (vs. 18.0 fps with v29.42)


NVIDIA drivers do not work with IBM/Cyrix 5x86 CPUs in Win95c and NT4.

When switching pages in the BIOS, the redraw rate is slow.


NVIDIA GeForce4 MX440 with AGP 8X 64 MB
Win95c display driver version 40.x works, however D3D and OGL games do not.


3DLabs Permedia2 4MB
Display drivers installed fine for Win98SE and NT4. The blackness of the screen was a little less black instead of expected jet black. Not exactly grey, but the lack of true black might bother some. Quake2 in OpenGL mode ran, however it was initially very slow at loading, as if the machine froze-up for about a minute. I recorded 4.7 fps in Quake2 Default OpenGL at 640x480 using a Cyrix 5x86-120 (2x60). For comparison, the Matrox G200 in NT4 scored 6.8 fps with the same CPU/motherboard/RAM. Display driver at 1280x1024x16 tested ok.

3DLabs Oxygen VX1 32MB
As with the Permedia2, the black is not so black. GLQuake would not function in Win95c. Quake II would not function in OpenGL mode. Direct 3D performance was quite slow compared to the Matrox G200 as determined by MDK's performance test. The VX1 scored 85, whereas the G200 scored 117 when using an Am5x86-133. In Windows NT4.0, GLQuake ran, however there was no background gameplay screen - only bullets, the console, the gun, and enemies were visible; the rest was black. For Quake II, the background was shown, however the colour was an odd neon colour.

For Win95c, drivers from 1999-06-17, 1999-07-20, 2107-0828R, and 2107-0829R were tested. For NT4, drivers from 1999-04-29, 2.16.0638, and 2.16.0866 were tested. Using a Permedia 3 Create! driver didn't help with slow Direct3D performance, nor did it enable GLQuake to function in Win95c. Display drivers in NT4 and W95c worked with, both, the Am5x86 and Cyrix 5x86 chips.

S3 Trio3D 4 MB
Display driver at 1280x1024x16 ran fine in NT4 and Win98SE, however OpenGL did not function in Quake2. Perhaps this OpenGL wrapper will work?
http://jmpz.tripod.com/quake/
EDIT: I tried the S3 GLQuake driver on a SiS board, but it causes the system to crash shortly after open GLQuake.

ATI Rage Pro 8 MB
Driver version w82560en is the one you want for Win98SE. The display driver worked at 1280x1024x16 and so did Quake2 w/OpenGL. Quake2 using OpenGL was a little bit grainy though. Only 5.0 fps. Trying to use newer OpenGL drivers results in the Illegal Operation error when trying to run Quake2 in OpenGL mode.

For WinNT4.0, driver n40118en works in Quake2 OpenGL, however the objects were lacking a lot of detail. 5.0 fps. For driver version n42040en, Quake2-OpenGL hangs on loading. This can be circumvented by replacing the Atir3icd.dll file with the latest ATI OpenGL file (2001) for NT4. I found this file in an IBM Thinkpad A20 video driver package. While Quake2 runs in OpenGL mode with the expected OpenGL look to it, the frame rate was no faster than in software mode. 3.9 fps.

ATI Rage 128 VR 32 MB
Win95c
Use display driver version 4.11.6263 (GL v1.1.1274) for Cyrix 5x86 and POD CPUs. For the Am5x86, Direct3D does not function with the 4.11.6263 driver version. You will need to use driver version 4.11.6105 and copy the OpenGL file (atio9xaa.dll) from 4.11.6263 into either the .6105 installation media (atio9xaa.dl_), or decompress the atio9xaa.dl_ file and copy it (ati9xaa.dll) into the \windows\system folder for OpenGL to function properly. Not all D3D games function well with the ATI driver version 4.11.6105. Outlaws, for example, exhibits screen shaking for sceens that require a lot of sceen background movement. Battlezone would not load. MDK ran fine, as did Mechwarrior 3, although Mechwarrior3 was rather slow.

AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 19.1 fps
AMD Am5x86-160 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 9.3 fps
IBM 5x86c-133/2x - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 20.2 fps
IBM 5x86c-133/2x - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 9.5 fps
Intel POD-100 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 27.4 fps
Intel POD-100 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 14.2

WinNT4
Driver from OEM CD. Driver version 4.3.192 (GL v1.2.1429). Xpert2000.

AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 16.6 fps
AMD Am5x86-160 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = crashes
Intel POD-100 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 22.9 fps
Intel POD-100 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = crashes


W2K
The Windows 2000 default display driver worked, but I could not get OpenGL working in W2K with any driver version.

The main disadvantage of using the Rage 128 VR in Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 is that it does not work with Cyrix/IBM 5x86 CPUs. The display drivers only worked with Intel and AMD chips in Windows NT 4.0 and W2K. On the other hand, the Win9x drivers worked fine with the Cyrix/IBM 5x86 CPUs.


ATI Rage 128 PRO 32 MB
Win95c
The OEM-supplied display driver 4.13.7078 (GL v1.1.0) worked fine in Win9x, however GLQuake and Quake II in OpenGL mode was unplayably slow. I used the Rage Fury Pro/Xpert 2000 Pro driver. I was unable to find a suitable OpenGL driver for Win9x using an Am5x86 or POD.

WinNT4
Driver from OEM CD. Driver version 4.3.192 (GL v1.2.1429). Xpert2000.

AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 16.8 fps
AMD Am5x86-160 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 7.9
Intel POD-100 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 22.7 fps
Intel POD-100 - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = crashes (or 10.0 fps if using driver 4.3.3276)

As with the 128 VR card, I was unable to get the NT4 drivers functioning when a Cyrix 5x86 CPU was utilised.

Note:
Xpert 2000 = Rage 128 VR
Xpert 128 = Rage 128 GL
Rage Fury = Rage 128 with 32MB SDRAM
Xpert 2000 Pro = Rage 128 Pro "business"
Rage Fury Pro = Rage 128 Pro "gamer"


SiS 496/497

Matrox Millennium G200 8/16 MB
Drivers v4.33 work in Win98SE. Did not test other operating systems yet. Note that not all SiS boards work with the G200. DTK PKM-0033S does not turn on with this card installed unless I use the 4DPS BIOS.

Matrox Millennium G450 32 MB
Motherboard turns on but Win98 drivers will not load. Perhaps this card is a suitable candidate for the POD?

Voodoo 3 3000 16 MB
Win98SE drivers v1.01 - 1.05 install fine. Quake II runs well with 3Dfx OpenGL. Make sure to install DX 6.1 if using Win95c.

Win95c
Driver version 1.03 for DX6. Installing DX6.1 is fine.

AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 27.5 fps
Cyrix 5x86-133/4x - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 27.6 fps
Cyrix 5x86-133/4x - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 11.1 fps

WinNT4
Drivers version 1.04

AMD Am5x86-160 - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 26.0 fps
Cyrix 5x86-133/4x - GLQuake (nosound, 640x480x16) = 27.1 fps
Cyrix 5x86-133/4x - QuakeII (nosound, 640x480x16) = 11.2 fps


Creative RIVA TNT 16 MB
As with the UMC, many Win98 drivers failed to load. Still need to determine if Creative drivers from 24/08/98 are functional. NT4/W2K untested.

Diamond V550 RIVA TNT 16 MB
As with the UMC board, NT4 drivers are non-functional when using a Cyrix 5x86. I tried the Diamond drivers, 550nt203.exe I assume that they will function with an Am5x86, however I have not tested this configuration.


eVGA NVIDIA GeForce 6200
(motherboard does not turn on)

PNY GeForce2 MX400 64 MB
The BIOS menus moved really slowly like on the UMC-based motherboard. The computer past POST, however himem.sys got stuck. Further testing is required.

Diamond Monster Fusion (Banshee) 16 MB
Windows NT 4.0 drivers 1.04 worked fine. GLQuake scored 23.7 fps on X5-160 (demo1, no sound).
Did not test Win9x drivers.

ATI Rage 128 VR 32 MB
My DTK PKM-0033S would not turn on with this card installed. I used a modified 4DPS BIOS to get the DTK board to turn on. After installing the 2 working drivers for this graphics card (from UMC board testing), the system freezes when tyring to access the display properties. I do not recall if I was using NT4, W95, a Cyrix 5x86, or an Am5x86 for this test.

Nvidia Quadro NVS280
There are reports that this card has working display drivers and functional Direct3D in Win9x. Passed dxdiag with DirectX. OpenGL did not work. Motherboard used was a Lucky Star LS-486E. DirectX8 had to be installed using a K6, then the HDD was placed back into the 486. DirectX7 had errors. Monster Truck Madness ran well. Errors when trying to load the display properties control panel though. Driver 56.xx used and is the oldest supported.
http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=48046


Potential candidates for Win98SE, NT4, and W2K:

NVIDIA Riva 128ZX
Permedia 3
S3 Savage 3D

Anyone try these?

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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby leileilol » 2012-11-10 @ 03:09

The 3dfx Voodoo2 is the most modern i've ever tried. It did run Q3 at a staggering 4fps and I ran cinebench R10 with it as well.
Voodoo2s aren't 100mhz stock
Geforce256 isn't released as a beta on New Years '99 under the Quadro brand
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DOSBox is not for running Windows 9x
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby noshutdown » 2012-11-10 @ 04:00

leileilol wrote:The 3dfx Voodoo2 is the most modern i've ever tried. It did run Q3 at a staggering 4fps and I ran cinebench R10 with it as well.

quake3! i thought it would simply require 586 instructions...
and i would suggest testing the rendition cards aswell.
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby sliderider » 2012-11-10 @ 11:12

leileilol wrote:The 3dfx Voodoo2 is the most modern i've ever tried. It did run Q3 at a staggering 4fps and I ran cinebench R10 with it as well.


How did the Matrox m3D work in a 486 system?
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby numeriK » 2012-11-10 @ 18:11

Well, now with the battery replaced, the 8433UUD board I have is much more stable than the M919, so I'm using that now.

Setup is:
AMD 5x86 @ 180Mhz (60Mhz x 3), disabled L2, 0/0WS 64MB DRAM (I found 1 stick to be more stable than 2)

Fresh install of Win98se, DX 7.0, Diamond TNT Drivers (yet to find a stable Detonator driver package).

Quake 2 (software, 320x240, demo2): 11.6fps
Quake 2 (OpenGL, 320x240, demo2): 8.8fps

Quake 3 (OpenGL, 320x240, demo1): 8.6fps (config optimized)
Quake 3 (OpenGL, 320x240, demo2): 8.4fps (config optimized)

So, long-story-short, this particular TNT card (Diamond V550) does work in Windows 98se with the Diamond drivers - absolutely no problems.
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby feipoa » 2012-11-11 @ 08:12

numeriK wrote:Well, now with the battery replaced, the 8433UUD board I have is much more stable

I've noticed this as well.
numeriK wrote:I found 1 stick to be more stable than 2

I've also witnessed this effect on the 8433.

numeriK wrote:Quake 2 (software, 320x240, demo2): 11.6fps
Quake 2 (OpenGL, 320x240, demo2): 8.8fps

Why is software mode faster than OpenGL mode? What are your frame rates at 640x480 and 800x600 in Software and OpenGL modes?
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby sliderider » 2012-11-11 @ 12:58

feipoa wrote: What are your frame rates at 640x480 and 800x600 in Software and OpenGL modes?


As low as the scores are in 320x240, would it really be playable in any higher resolutions?
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby leileilol » 2012-11-11 @ 19:54

I'd like to know Quake2's gl results with gl_flashblend set to 1. Lightmap updates kill a 486 the most, so give that a try.
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby feipoa » 2012-11-11 @ 23:46

sliderider wrote:As low as the scores are in 320x240, would it really be playable in any higher resolutions?

Considering that his Software mode was faster than his Open GL mode, I suspect something is going wrong with the Open GL driver. By testing it at 640x480 and 800x600, we can determine if there is just an issue at 320x240. Another reason to run it at 640x480 is that the Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison has all CPUs tested at 640x480 in Software and Open GL modes, so results at 640x480 are better for comparison.

I have only seen Open GL mode slower than Software mode when it wasn't working properly with the drivers.

Here are some OpenGL Quake II results from the Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison at 640x480 using a Matrox G200:

Cyrix 5x86-100 (2x50): 6.1 fps (3.3 fps software)
Cyrix 5x86-120 (2x60): 6.8 fps (3.8 fps software)
Cyrix 5x86-133 (2x66): 7.6 fps (4.1 fps software)

leileilol wrote:I'd like to know Quake2's gl results with gl_flashblend set to 1. Lightmap updates kill a 486 the most, so give that a try.

Can you go through the step(s) of setting gl_flashblend to 1? I do not see this option in the Quake II options or video settings. I have run Quake II with all settings at default, except 8-bit is turned off.
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby SquallStrife » 2012-11-12 @ 00:28

You should just be able to key that in at the console. After you start the game, hit the tilde key "~" and type "gl_flashblend 1"

Of you can add it to the end of the config file, but for a one-off, it's probably easier to do it at the console.
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby numeriK » 2012-11-12 @ 02:52

Wish I could test it that way, as I've put a good 4 hours into troubleshooting, no luck. All I have is the Q2 demo and any change to the config.cfg, it crashes on load. If I create an autoexec.cfg it doesn't load it. Pressing ~ and typing "exec autoexec.cfg" it says it couldn't load it.... lol

I've uninstalled, reinstalled, tried typing the commands into the console individually - nothing loads.

I'm really at a loss here unless I can find a full version of Q2 somewhere, so it seems.

Does anyone else experience these issues with the Q2 demo?

In the meantime, playing Q3 on a 486 is pretty fun... even though it looks like crap... haha
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby feipoa » 2012-11-12 @ 04:36

SquallStrife wrote:hit the tilde key "~" and type "gl_flashblend 1"

Thank you for this information. The speed jumped from 7.6 fps to 8.2 fps at 640x480. Do you know of any other commands which might significantly increase the frame rate on a 486?

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Can you not run at 640x480 with the demo version?
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby dirkmirk » 2012-11-12 @ 07:49

I got the quake 2 timedemo up to 15.2fps with sound on a POD83 with Voodoo3 by turning off the gun and particle effects which is somke/blood, etc, I dont recommend turning off particle effects but I could live without the gun being visable, that was about 14fps,

The commands are
cl_particles 0(1 default)
cl_gun 0 (1 default)

I found this page which details all the quake 2 commands, the 3 biggest affect on frame is the gl_flashblend, cl_particles & cl_gun commands

http://www.reocities.com/researchtriangle/4480/quake/quakeiicom.html
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby noshutdown » 2012-11-12 @ 08:01

dirkmirk wrote:I got the quake 2 timedemo up to 15.2fps with sound on a POD83 with Voodoo3 by turning off the gun and particle effects which is somke/blood, etc, I dont recommend turning off particle effects but I could live without the gun being visable, that was about 14fps,

The commands are
cl_particles 0(1 default)
cl_gun 0 (1 default)

I found this page which details all the quake 2 commands, the 3 biggest affect on frame is the gl_flashblend, cl_particles & cl_gun commands

http://www.reocities.com/researchtriangle/4480/quake/quakeiicom.html


don't forget there is gl_dynamic 0
gl_flashblend only works when gl_dynamic is 1, it changes dynamic lighting into a glowing ball and is faster, but slower than gl_dynamic 0.
setting cl_particle to 0 is not recommended, it improves fps by a little bit but makes you unable to see the trails of projectiles.
gl_polyblend 0 //screen doesn't flash when you receive damage/pick up item.
gl_picmip 1, 2 or 3 //decreases texture quality, may improve speed.
r_fullbright 1 //big boost to fps but makes your world less colorful, as it ignores the lightmap. however its worthy if you are playing deathmatch on that rig.

setting sound off improves fps too:
s_initsound 0
snd_restart

last but not least, quake2's build in demo1 and demo2 are too simple for a benchmark, use the crusher demo instead.
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby feipoa » 2012-11-12 @ 08:41

dirkmirk wrote:The commands are
cl_particles 0(1 default)
cl_gun 0 (1 default)

I found this page which details all the quake 2 commands, the 3 biggest affect on frame is the gl_flashblend, cl_particles & cl_gun commands

Quake II v3.20 says the gun and particles commands are unknown.

The Voodoo3 on a socket 3 is a different ballpark, I think, esp. with a POD under the hood. I'll eventually get the Voodoo3 setup with the Cyrix 5x86-133.
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby noshutdown » 2012-11-12 @ 09:59

feipoa wrote:Quake II v3.20 says the gun and particles commands are unknown.

The Voodoo3 on a socket 3 is a different ballpark, I think, esp. with a POD under the hood. I'll eventually get the Voodoo3 setup with the Cyrix 5x86-133.

guess you must have done something wrong, check underline and space.
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby feipoa » 2012-11-12 @ 11:30

yeah, I called it gl_gun instead of cl_gun
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby feipoa » 2012-11-12 @ 12:27

Quake II Benchmark, Timedemo 1, 640x480, Default OpenGL
Cyrix 5x86-133 (2x66)
Matrox G200 16 MB (driver version 5.07)
WinNT 4.0

7.6 fps
No 8-bit

7.9 fps
No 8-bit
cl_gun 0

8.2 fps
No 8-bit
gl_flashblend 1

8.6 fps
No 8-bit
gl_flashblend 1
cl_gun 0

9.2 fps
No 8-bit
gl_flashblend 1
cl_gun 0
cl_particles 0

9.3 fps
No 8-bit
gl_flashblend 1
cl_gun 0
cl_particles 0
gl_dynamic 0

9.9 fps
No 8-bit
gl_flashblend 1
cl_gun 0
cl_particles 0
gl_dynamic 0
s_initsound 0
snd_restart
CD Sound Off
Texture Quality lowest

As a quick comparison,
Quake II Benchmark, Timedemo 1, 640x480, 3Dfx GL
AMD X5-160 (4x40)
Voodoo 3 3000 SDRAM (driver version 1.01)
Win98SE

9.7 fps (3Dfx GL)
No 8-bit

8.4 fps (Default OpenGL)
No 8-bit

dirkmirk wrote:I got the quake 2 timedemo up to 15.2fps with sound on a POD83 with Voodoo3 by turning off the gun and particle effects which is somke/blood, etc, I dont recommend turning off particle effects but I could live without the gun being visable, that was about 14fps,

What resolution?
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby numeriK » 2012-11-12 @ 14:51

Have fun guys, I'm going to have to revisit this - Quake 2 will be at my door later this week.

@feipoa - no, I'm sure I can run @ 640x480, but something is buggered with this demo. I'll try it regardless and I'll post the results. It's just that not being able to optimize the config is a real PITA.
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Re: Modern graphics on a 486

Postby dirkmirk » 2012-11-13 @ 09:48

What resolution?


640X480, SIS 496/497
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