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8Mhz Turbo XT System

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First post, by ciernioo

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Hi Everyone! I would like to show you my favourite system I was building for a long time. I was always fascinated by the XT systems, especially those equipped with Hercules/MDA cards. They have very unique charm to me, using such an old PC gives me the feeling of being in touch with some really ancient technology from centuries ago 😀 For the time I work with such system I feel like I`ve traveled back in time for a while, and that`s what I really like in retro computing!

When I started my collection, I never actually thought I could build and run any XT system, as I had no knowledge of the technology beyond 286 (my first PC). Things like XT-style HDDs, keyboards, MDA/CGA displays, strange power connectors were all too exotic for me at the time. On the other hand - buying a complete working system was out of the question, as those were allready very rare and expensive. Anyway, after some time, I`ve managed to gather some useful hardware, including beautiful white PCB 8Mhz XT Turbo Board. Things started to look promising 😀 With a big help from the vogons forum and some other internet resources I finally have the system I wanted. Here it is, in all it`s glory:

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The specs are:

- 8Mhz NEC V20 CPU
- 640 KB RAM
- 256MB CF CARD as HDD
- MDA graphics card + mono monitor
- Sound Blaster/Adlib compatible card
- NE2000 compatible ethernet adapter
- ZOOM 28.800bps modem
- MULTI I/O combo card with 2xRS/LPT/GAME/FLOPPY and RTC Clock
- IBM AT keyboard with AT2XT keyboard converter (AT2XTKB)
- 3.5" floppy (just for decoration really 😀 )

Quick overview of what`s inside:

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Below I`ve attached a photo of the mainboard. Pretty common layout, looks great!

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The biggest challenge was of course the HDD. The obvious practical choice was to use a CF Card instead of hard to get real XT drive. I`ve copied the Lo-Tech`s simplest xt-ide variat and put it together on an universal board. The card looks funny, but works like a charm! (and cost very little...)

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The CF card sits in a convinient HDD removable bay. Very useful for data transfers.

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For regular data transfers I prefer to use the ethernet card with MTCP suite. Works great with FTP program!
The sound is available trough a MEDIAVISION SB/ADLIB clone card. Of course, the standard PC SPEAKER is also present.
I`ve recently upgraded the system with a multi I/O card with battery-backed RTC clock. Works great using TIMER.COM utility.
The system runs MS-DOS 6.22.

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Reply 1 of 14, by ciernioo

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I would like to add some more pictures of the hardware, hope it is ok to do it as attachments in another post...

Standard, cheap hercules/MDA adapter:

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MEDIAVISION SB/Adblib clone:

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NE2000 compatible ethernet adapter (works in 8-bit slot with a special packet driver)

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Multi I/O:

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And a 28.800 ZOOM Modem (because ... why not ? 😀 )

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Reply 2 of 14, by ciernioo

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And some screenshots / benchmarks:

The POST screen:

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DOS BOOT:

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Checkit System Specs.

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Checkit Benchmark:

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TOPBENCH Benchmark:

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Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed it!

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Reply 3 of 14, by GeorgeMan

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Spectacular build! 😀

Enjoyed it but really want more showoff software and games!

PS: Funny enough, I'm currently into the "Things like XT-style HDDs, keyboards, MDA/CGA displays, strange power connectors were all too exotic for me at the time." phase, and try to suppress it. 😊

Last edited by GeorgeMan on 2015-08-03, 12:43. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 4 of 14, by tayyare

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You had worries about the standard XT stuff and at the end, you come up with your own home built IDE controller? 🤣

By the way, your card is Hercules, not plain MDA. MDA cards cannot show any graphics, just text mode, as far as I remember. And I really want to know where did you get this as cheap? I was looking for one from time to time but couldn't find any cheap ones.

My first computer game was Prince of Persia which I was playing on an XT with monochrome Hercules adapter/monitor. 🤣

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Reply 5 of 14, by ciernioo

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Hi Tayyare, thanks for your reply. Yes you are right about that Hercules / MDA differences. It`s my mistake - I usually confuse those two 😉 About that prices: Yes, in Poland I`ve seen quite a few offers ,low priced, but usually described as "not tested / unknown condition" 😀 From my experience, it is much greater problem to get a working Hercules / MDA monitor ! They are rare, and get rather expensive... (I`m not really happy with mine as it is black&white CRT, I would really want to have amber one, those look gorgeous !)

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Reply 6 of 14, by ciernioo

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@GeorgeMan: I definitely have to do more research on interesting , good looking games for this system - I actually hadn`t enough time for this yet. I`ve only tried some 3 or 4 titles I remebered from the past (Prince Of Persia, Xenon 2 , Block Out). Maybe you or someone else could suggest something worth checking out ??

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Reply 7 of 14, by Scali

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ciernioo wrote:

From my experience, it is much greater problem to get a working Hercules / MDA monitor ! They are rare, and get rather expensive...

Heh, funny, I have 3 of them, because I keep getting them with XTs, even though I don't use them.
I have one green IBM monitor, and two Commodore paperwhite ones (one came wiht a PC10-III, the other with a PC20-III, same thing really).
I believe the paperwhite ones were actually the most 'high-end'/expensive models. Green and amber were the cheap ones 😀

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Reply 9 of 14, by PeterLI

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Looks great. Once upon a time I picked up a 5150 and a MDA CRT (I believe). Both did not work. My first and only 8088 so far. I have also owned IBM PS/2 Model 30 8086s and upgraded one with a V30. The 8530s have MCGA: no EGA/VGA compatability.

Reply 10 of 14, by SquallStrife

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Niiice! I have that same monitor but in amber.

Care to share a link for the XTIDE clone? I think I'd like one for my XT build.

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Reply 11 of 14, by ciernioo

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SquallStrife wrote:

Niiice! I have that same monitor but in amber.

Care to share a link for the XTIDE clone? I think I'd like one for my XT build.

Hi! I`ve used the simplest possible circuit based on the product described here (works only with CF cards, fine with me):

https://www.lo-tech.co.uk/product/lo-tech-isa … mpactflash-pcb/

One can go even simplier - if you have a network card in your system, then you probably have an empty socket for EPROM/FLASH chip used for BOOTROM. You may use it for storing the XTIDE Universal Bios. You only have to build the 8-bit IDE interface consisting of a buffer, address decoder and IDE header.

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Reply 12 of 14, by chinny22

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Wayyyy to old for me. Like you this pre dates me and put off by cga, HDD's etc not being compatible with newer stuff.
Great to see another one lives though 😀 and even a touch of recent hardware with the SD card. I like

Reply 13 of 14, by keropi

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Excellent build! I am also getting a XT setup, here is some info I got for it: Re: Practical uses for a 10MHz 8088 IBM Clone from 1988?

I was looking at lo-tech's site too, I will build that IDE-CF card as I don't see a better way to add a HDD to the machine... wish I had one of these ISA protoboards too, would cheap my way with it 🤣 🤣 🤣

Looking forward to play with such an old setup TBH 😊

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Reply 14 of 14, by tayyare

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ciernioo wrote:

@GeorgeMan: I definitely have to do more research on interesting , good looking games for this system - I actually hadn`t enough time for this yet. I`ve only tried some 3 or 4 titles I remebered from the past (Prince Of Persia, Xenon 2 , Block Out). Maybe you or someone else could suggest something worth checking out ??

The games that I played in an Hercules display (some with software CGA emulation) during the times: Grand Prix, Space Quest, Prince of Persia, Police Quest, Leisure Suit Larry, some sort of NBA basketball game, Tetris, Blockout, Deathtrack, some sort of strip poker.

My two home mates at that time (1991, before I had my own PC) were both computer science students, and one had an XT (Commodore PC-20?) and the other had an 386SX-16, both with Hercules displays, and those above were the games we played. Though, I don't remember which ones we were playing on XT and which ones on 386SX.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000