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First post, by AntilSan

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Hello,

I'm not a programmer and I do not know how to start a project, but i brainstormed about the actual situation about not working windows-32bit-games on windows 64bit.

My Idea is:
Why not a partner-project for the DosBox?

As names I imagined the following ones:
1. WinBox (to show the partnership to DosBox)
2. Renaming both projects: BitBox16 for DosBox and BitBox32 for windows-games that does not work under windows 64bit.
BitBox may start imaginations on a BeatBox, a possible base for graphics (Icons, User-Interface and so on). 😉

It's just a silly Idea. If some good programmers read this and want to start the partner-project, plz repost in this threat.

But remember what I wrote: I am NO programmer, I just wanted to announce my Idea.

Sorry for my english, hope you understood what I meant.
Greetings from Germany
AntilSan

Reply 1 of 19, by leileilol

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Because it's called DOSbox. Shying away from this to regress DOS support, dynamic recompiler, etc. for Windows 95 games is a huge undertaking less than a handful of hobbyist programmers could possibly do without wrecking their sanity in their spare time. There is already one fork that has already made controversial compromises.

Also there's already emulators out there that can handle Win95 better than DOSBox will ever do... I can name three and they don't start with V!

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Reply 2 of 19, by AntilSan

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OK, it was just a silly Idea. 😉
But thanks for your Information.

Do you tell me the three win95-emulators? Would be nice.

Reply 3 of 19, by leileilol

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PCem
Qemu (the virtualization kernel isn't required, it can still emulate)
Bochs (the often ported-to-everything-to-show-it-can-run-Win95-on-device-X-on-youtube-for-some-clickbait-monetization-hits emulator)

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Reply 4 of 19, by AntilSan

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Thanks a lot.

Reply 7 of 19, by mr_bigmouth_502

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It's called PCem. 😉 Unfortunately, it requires a non-insigificant amount of computing power, as well as a copy of Windows to do what you're proposing. DOS is a much, much easier operating system to clone, which is why DosBox works straight up without a separate OS image.

Reply 9 of 19, by Stiletto

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I'll move it to PC Emulation?

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Reply 10 of 19, by mrau

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if youre looking not for platform emulation, but more system emulation wine is an option for some; its a reimplementation of the winapi and is mature enough to play stuff like quake2 or even lineage2(without monitoring tools) with full hardware acceleration

Reply 11 of 19, by collector

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mrau wrote:

if youre looking not for platform emulation, but more system emulation wine is an option for some; its a reimplementation of the winapi and is mature enough to play stuff like quake2 or even lineage2(without monitoring tools) with full hardware acceleration

If only Wine for Windows was more mature.

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Reply 12 of 19, by Jepael

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collector wrote:

If only Wine for Windows was more mature.

ReactOS uses Wine libraries quite heavily. You should test if it can run your games and programs.

Reply 13 of 19, by Jorpho

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Jepael wrote:
collector wrote:

If only Wine for Windows was more mature.

ReactOS uses Wine libraries quite heavily. You should test if it can run your games and programs.

But you'd have to run ReactOS in a virtual machine, and if you're going to be running a virtual machine, you might as well run a genuine version of Windows.

Reply 14 of 19, by collector

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Jorpho wrote:
Jepael wrote:
collector wrote:

If only Wine for Windows was more mature.

ReactOS uses Wine libraries quite heavily. You should test if it can run your games and programs.

But you'd have to run ReactOS in a virtual machine, and if you're going to be running a virtual machine, you might as well run a genuine version of Windows.

Exactly. ReactOS is not a solution in this case.

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Reply 15 of 19, by mr_bigmouth_502

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mrau wrote:

if youre looking not for platform emulation, but more system emulation wine is an option for some; its a reimplementation of the winapi and is mature enough to play stuff like quake2 or even lineage2(without monitoring tools) with full hardware acceleration

Honestly, I think WINE is a joke. Having used it a number of times on Linux, it's had quirks and glitches with nearly EVERY program I've ever thrown at it, and it's a real pain in the ass when you try to run programs with it that require external libraries. Ironically, it actually seems to work well for DosBox and PCem. But man, could it use a serious overhaul in its design.

Reply 16 of 19, by mrau

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usually installing and managing sets of libraries is the answer

Reply 17 of 19, by awgamer

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mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
mrau wrote:

if youre looking not for platform emulation, but more system emulation wine is an option for some; its a reimplementation of the winapi and is mature enough to play stuff like quake2 or even lineage2(without monitoring tools) with full hardware acceleration

Honestly, I think WINE is a joke. Having used it a number of times on Linux, it's had quirks and glitches with nearly EVERY program I've ever thrown at it, and it's a real pain in the ass when you try to run programs with it that require external libraries. Ironically, it actually seems to work well for DosBox and PCem. But man, could it use a serious overhaul in its design.

Outside of dedicated/dual booting, VM with hardware passthrough is the best way that I'm aware of.

Reply 18 of 19, by Kerr Avon

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awgamer wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
mrau wrote:

if youre looking not for platform emulation, but more system emulation wine is an option for some; its a reimplementation of the winapi and is mature enough to play stuff like quake2 or even lineage2(without monitoring tools) with full hardware acceleration

Honestly, I think WINE is a joke. Having used it a number of times on Linux, it's had quirks and glitches with nearly EVERY program I've ever thrown at it, and it's a real pain in the ass when you try to run programs with it that require external libraries. Ironically, it actually seems to work well for DosBox and PCem. But man, could it use a serious overhaul in its design.

Outside of dedicated/dual booting, VM with hardware passthrough is the best way that I'm aware of.

What does "hardware passthrough" mean, please?

Reply 19 of 19, by gdjacobs

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The virtualizer provides access to actual hardware on the VM. In the case of gaming, this is usually access to the GPU.

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