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First post, by Mackya

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Hi everyone,

First post, but I am out of ideas, so apologies for a help request as my first one.

I am building a PII system, and it is vexing me terribly. It is a Matsonic MS-7380SG Slot 1 Motherboard (ATX) with a Pentium II 450mhz CPU.

300 Watt ATX Power Supply, on board sound and video, and 512MB of RAM.

When I power on, the system beings to POST then immediately shuts off. Ocassionally it will stay on for 8 seconds or so and I can see AWARD BIOS, Pentium 2 - 450mhz.

The longest it powered on it had no warning beep, or anything. When it powers on it gives the usual all clear beep, then either a cut off beep or nothing.

Things I have tried so far:

  • Replacing CMOS battery
  • Reseating CPU
  • Reseating RAM
  • Swapping RAM
  • Swapping 300 Watt Power Supply with a brand new 600 Watt Power Supply
  • Disconnecting everything and incrementally reconnecting
  • Looking for bad solder joints or broken traces (none found)

Any ideas? 🙁

Thank you!

Reply 1 of 13, by canthearu

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have you tried building the system outside the case. Use a different power button to eliminate that as a possible problem.

Reply 2 of 13, by rasz_pl

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Mackya wrote:

Matsonic MS-7380SGMatsonic may be owned by Pc-Chips

Matsonic = Pc-Chips = garbage
probably bad capacitors, but even if you repair it you will still have a sis chipset waste of time

https://github.com/raszpl/FIC-486-GAC-2-Cache-Module for AT&T Globalyst
https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16 memory board
https://github.com/raszpl/440BX Reference Design adapted to Kicad
https://github.com/raszpl/Zenith_ZBIOS MFM-300 Monitor

Reply 3 of 13, by Mackya

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canthearu wrote:

have you tried building the system outside the case. Use a different power button to eliminate that as a possible problem.

It is a brand new case, so I was not thinking it should be a problem, but I can unseat the motherboard and make sure there is no metal contact interference.

rasz_pl wrote:
Mackya wrote:

Matsonic MS-7380SGMatsonic may be owned by Pc-Chips

Matsonic = Pc-Chips = garbage
probably bad capacitors, but even if you repair it you will still have a sis chipset waste of time

Oh yes, that is true, it does have a SIS, though I have my Voodoo 2 that was going to replace the on board video. The motherboard was working up until a few days ago, which is the vexing thing. Though that was on the test bench, so it could be some kind of interference. None of the caps are swollen, they look ok, but I can double check. 😀

Reply 4 of 13, by Windows9566

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Intel 440LX/BX is better.

R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS

Reply 5 of 13, by rasz_pl

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when you say 'shuts off' you mean PSU turns off, computer resets, or the screen just goes black?

https://github.com/raszpl/FIC-486-GAC-2-Cache-Module for AT&T Globalyst
https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16 memory board
https://github.com/raszpl/440BX Reference Design adapted to Kicad
https://github.com/raszpl/Zenith_ZBIOS MFM-300 Monitor

Reply 6 of 13, by Mackya

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rasz_pl wrote:

when you say 'shuts off' you mean PSU turns off, computer resets, or the screen just goes black?

Thanks Rasz, I just put it on my rubber table, and tried to boot that way, no go.

I can furnish a video, but it begins to boot, then immediately shuts off, the board, power supply, etc. everything.

Tried without the power button by jumpering the pins to start, no go there either. I looked for broken traces and things as well, but no it looked ok. Caps seemed ok, no swelling or deformity.

Actually it gave me 2 beeps recently, so maybe the on board video is DOA, according to the Award Bios screen, though didn't think it would display the P2 - 450mhz Award BIOS blah blah POST screen.

Bleh, running out of ideas.

Reply 7 of 13, by Brickpad

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This sounds more like a power supply issue. Try a different PSU if you have one.

Reply 8 of 13, by Mackya

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Thanks. ^^ Though actually that was one of the first things I tried.

(I mentioned it in the first post.)

But I bought a brand new 600 Watt Power Supply and had the same result.

Edit: Just pulled it out in the rubber table and tried the new power supply just to be thorough. Still no dice 😒

Last edited by Mackya on 2019-03-24, 23:21. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 9 of 13, by quicknick

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Had an Abit KT7A do this to me - not starting at all or shutting down randomly after seconds/minutes/hours... After a full re-cap/polymod I nearly gave up on it. Incredibly, it was caused by a defective Clear CMOS jumper that only made intermittent contact.

Reply 10 of 13, by Mackya

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Oh wow! Fascinating, I just pulled the jumper completely and it stayed powered on at least.

I will try and jumper the normal CMOS pins and see if it boots.

Edit: Nope xD soldered the CMOS Normal pins and still no go. When it does stay on long enough to boot more I get 3 beeps which looks like bad video memory.

That shitty SIS chip is probably messing things up?

Reply 11 of 13, by canthearu

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Try leaving the jumper in but pull out the CMOS battery?

Reply 12 of 13, by rasz_pl

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you can always try sticking random isa/pci graphic card
post code card wouldnt hurt

https://github.com/raszpl/FIC-486-GAC-2-Cache-Module for AT&T Globalyst
https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16 memory board
https://github.com/raszpl/440BX Reference Design adapted to Kicad
https://github.com/raszpl/Zenith_ZBIOS MFM-300 Monitor

Reply 13 of 13, by Mackya

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Thank you for all the suggestions! :3

This past weekend I pulled my Voodoo 2 from storage, and now it boots. Weird.

Now just need to install Win98 on my HD and I should be good to go. :3