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First post, by kixs

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Hi,

I have two SOYO 4SAW2 boards. One seems to broke with POD5V83 sometime ago. But comparing benchmarks results with the other one with the same CPU and optimized BIOS settings this one seems to be around 5-10% slower. I have tried to swap the bios chip but the working one won't POST with the other one. It might be broken or there is compatibiliy issue - different type. See the photos. One might be FLASH? Is this interchangealbe or not with EPROM - I don't have a clue 🤣

This is a slower but working board:
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Not working one seems to have Flash bios chip?
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Per manual, jumper JP2 controls the BIOS type.
https://stason.org/TULARC/pc/motherboards/S/S … -4SAW-2-W5.html

BIOS type select EPROM/flash Pins 2 & 3 closed
BIOS type select flash Pins 1 & 2 closed

But JP2 is "disabled" as on both boards the pins are missing. Only on the non-working one the 5-6 is connected - look at the photo. But there is no info what is this.

Can I swap BIOS chips in these two boards?

Thanks

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Reply 1 of 7, by kixs

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Went ahead and flashed the non-working chip via hot swapping.

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The non-working one says it's 12V. Any explanation about this? Does it make any difference as now this chip works fine with the slower board. Faster board will POST but I get the keyboard error or no keyboard present. The leds do light up when powered on twice. There is a little bit of corrosion around the battery but nothing too serious - I've already checked the traces.

Before this board went dead it worked perfectly fine with POD5V83 at 100MHz. Then one time at loading DOS just freezed. Power cycle didn't help - blank screen. Tested the board with different CPU. POD on another motherboard. All dead 🙁 I have no idea what happened. But now it seems the BIOS chip got corrupted, keyboard chip might have gone bad and the POD got fried. I'm guessing the PSU. I used one from an older IBM machine.

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Reply 2 of 7, by gdjacobs

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kixs wrote:

The non-working one says it's 12V.

It's an older EEPROM or EPROM that needs 12V to program.

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Reply 3 of 7, by kixs

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I flashed it anyway on the board with 5V chip 🤣 The chip works fine on the board I used to flash it. But on the original there is a "Keyboard not present error". Could the wrongly flashed chip be the culprit?

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Reply 4 of 7, by Murugan

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I have the same board and the same error. Cleaned up heavy corrosion due to leakage, checked traces (not all though). I get keyboard leds that briefly light up and then nothing.
I suspect the controller or too much damage from the corrosion.

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Reply 6 of 7, by Murugan

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I think it too but it's a big guess to have it repaired. My skills are way too bad for it so I need to send it to someone. I don't even know if these chips are easy to find
I would like to have it working though 😒

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Reply 7 of 7, by Deunan

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Some Flash chips do require 12V for programming (or just erasing). Some are pure 5V devices and have internal voltage pumps. The price for this is usually slower writing though.

The AP43 486 mobo has a jumper to select what voltage the Flash chip needs, perhaps this one has it too? Note, only 5V is required for normal (reading) operation.