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First post, by robertmo

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019- … s-senators-says

88 out of 100 US senators voted for this.

I must play that Wolfenstein thing again as I think I didn't get the story right.

Reply 1 of 8, by dr_st

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Maybe you should start by actually reading the article you linked to. Or at least the headline. "U.S. Senators Want Poland to Pay Victims of Nazi Property Thefts". Nowhere does it say that USA is seeking compensation for itself...

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Reply 2 of 8, by robertmo

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And who do you think Nazis are?

Reply 3 of 8, by robertmo

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Germany invaded Poland.
Largest nationality in USA is German.
USA and Germany must pay compensations to Poland.

Reply 4 of 8, by mothergoose729

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robertmo wrote:

Germany invaded Poland.
Largest nationality in USA is German.
USA and Germany must pay compensations to Poland.

The largest nationality in USA are not Germans. It's English, followed closely by African and Mexican. Germans have never been more than 15% or of the American population, and that was during the late 19th and early 20th century. The largest wave of German immigrants to the United States happened in the late 19th century, many years before the rise of the Nazi party. Very few Americans are first or second generation German immigrants. Furthermore, very few Americans are recent European immigrants at all, with perhaps the exception of our Ashkenazi Jewish population. Say what you will of American politics today, but Nazi sentiments have never gained much of a foothold in the US politics.

We have our own, homegrown version of nationalism and xenophobia, thank you very much.

Not that it matters. Look, if you want to see Americans as the bad guy to fit some preconceived narrative you have, than certainty no amount of logic or reasoning can persuade you.

Whether or not this letter is a good idea or not has little to do with American interests. This is a result of American sentiments. I would agree that it is largely none of our business, but it is a signed letter. Basically senators agreed to put their name on a document. It is not a law, statute, treaty, or anything binding when it comes to the Poles or foreign policy. Not that the US senate has any jurisdiction or power when it comes to the Poles or diplomacy anyway. They wrote the letter to the President, who in the US system of governance, has most of the power when it comes to foreign policy. It is a strongly worded message to the US president and the Polish government, and no more than that.

Reply 5 of 8, by robertmo

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1 German 14.70%
2 Black or African American (non-Hispanic) 12.30%
3 Mexican (of any race) 10.90%
4 Irish 10.60%
5 English 7.80%
6 Mixed/Unknown 7.20%
7 Italian 5.50%
8 Polish 3.00%
9 French 2.60%
10 Scottish 1.70%
11 Native American and Alaska Native 1.60%
12 Puerto Rican 1.60%
13 Norwegian 1.40%
14 Dutch 1.40%
15 Swedish 1.20%
16 Chinese 1.20%
17 Asian Indian 1.00%
18 Scotch-Irish 1.00%
19 Russian 0.90%
20 West Indian (non-Hispanic) 0.90%
21 Filipino 0.90%
22 Other 10.60%

Reply 6 of 8, by jesolo

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Not that I want to be pulled into politics but, what's your source of data?

Reply 7 of 8, by mothergoose729

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jesolo wrote:

Not that I want to be pulled into politics but, what's your source of data?

It's wikipedia. These numbers are based on a census, where race/ethnicity is self reported.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnic … e_United_States

I don't have better numbers, but my suspicion is that most Americans don't actually know where there most recent European ancestors came from, and so the German number could be either understated or overstated.

Even in the population of self reported Germans, you are dealing with a mix of Enlgish, German, Swedish/Norse and Eastern European heritage, depending on where in the country you are and how recently they immigrated.