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First post, by Nexxen

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I thought I had a bad case of click of death, but it was a burnt chip.
Nice foul smell though 😀

This is the link to the chip:
https://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/v … /UC3173AQP.html

I can't figure out what to replace it with.

Any help is really really appreciated.

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Reply 1 of 13, by quicknick

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I doubt there is a direct equivalent for that. Maybe it would be easier to source an identical drive (or from the same family) and try a transplant.

LE: it seems to be available on ebay and (maybe) UTsource.

Reply 2 of 13, by Horun

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There is a reason it burnt. Maybe bad caps, bearings/motor failing, shorted heads or ?? drawing more power than the amp can supply. Need to find why it burned out.

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Reply 3 of 13, by Nexxen

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quicknick wrote on 2021-01-19, 00:51:

I doubt there is a direct equivalent for that. Maybe it would be easier to source an identical drive (or from the same family) and try a transplant.

LE: it seems to be available on ebay and (maybe) UTsource.

going to check utsource

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Reply 4 of 13, by Nexxen

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Horun wrote on 2021-01-19, 01:58:

There is a reason it burnt. Maybe bad caps, bearings/motor failing, shorted heads or ?? drawing more power than the amp can supply. Need to find why it burned out.

Old age I suppose. Just turned on the pc and it first clicked and then didn't work. Pulled out and replaced. Yesterday inspected it and noticed a strange smell.
I was soldering when it happened and as I wear a mask I didn't notice at first.

I'm looking for a forum dedicated to electronics repairs but haven't found one.
This issue is really specific.

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Reply 5 of 13, by Nexxen

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Horun wrote on 2021-01-19, 01:58:

There is a reason it burnt. Maybe bad caps, bearings/motor failing, shorted heads or ?? drawing more power than the amp can supply. Need to find why it burned out.

In fact 2 resistors, left of the IC in picture, are 1R50 (50 ohms) and read 350 and 100 now.
I guess you guessed right.

Edit: maybe the IC failed and it took behind those 2, slow overcurrent, and possibly something else.
Porbability of recovery is 50/50 at this point.

I found no otehr shorts but odd resistance readings on many caps. I'll remove the IC and hope it didn't take everything behind to other world of ICs.

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Reply 6 of 13, by Nexxen

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+12v gnd 20.8 khoms
+5v gnd 12.3kohms

Something went bad between and could have damaged the IC...
Many Res have lower readings than they should (30+% less, not the 5-10 allowed).

The four pads on the drive do short together, but I don't know if it's correct.
Anyhow, if after resoldering the new resistos and the IC it fails again it'll be another paperweight.

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Reply 7 of 13, by maxtherabbit

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Horun wrote on 2021-01-19, 01:58:

There is a reason it burnt. Maybe bad caps, bearings/motor failing, shorted heads or ?? drawing more power than the amp can supply. Need to find why it burned out.

sometimes ICs just fail for no other reason

Reply 8 of 13, by snufkin

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Nexxen wrote on 2021-08-15, 14:33:
In fact 2 resistors, left of the IC in picture, are 1R50 (50 ohms) and read 350 and 100 now. I guess you guessed right. […]
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In fact 2 resistors, left of the IC in picture, are 1R50 (50 ohms) and read 350 and 100 now.
I guess you guessed right.

Edit: maybe the IC failed and it took behind those 2, slow overcurrent, and possibly something else.
Porbability of recovery is 50/50 at this point.

I found no otehr shorts but odd resistance readings on many caps. I'll remove the IC and hope it didn't take everything behind to other world of ICs.

I think 1R50 means 1.5 ohms? Might be current limiting resistors for when the motor starts up. And if you're measuring with the resistors still in circuit then you could be measuring other resistors in parallel, so you may not get a true reading of the component.

Reply 9 of 13, by weedeewee

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snufkin wrote on 2021-08-15, 16:35:

I think 1R50 means 1.5 ohms? Might be current limiting resistors for when the motor starts up. And if you're measuring with the resistors still in circuit then you could be measuring other resistors in parallel, so you may not get a true reading of the component.

if you're measuring the resistor itself, anything in parallel will cause a lower value to be read. (unless the resistor itself is bad)
if you're somehow measuring something in series with the resistor you're not measuring the resistor.

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Reply 10 of 13, by Nexxen

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snufkin wrote on 2021-08-15, 16:35:
Nexxen wrote on 2021-08-15, 14:33:
In fact 2 resistors, left of the IC in picture, are 1R50 (50 ohms) and read 350 and 100 now. I guess you guessed right. […]
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In fact 2 resistors, left of the IC in picture, are 1R50 (50 ohms) and read 350 and 100 now.
I guess you guessed right.

Edit: maybe the IC failed and it took behind those 2, slow overcurrent, and possibly something else.
Porbability of recovery is 50/50 at this point.

I found no otehr shorts but odd resistance readings on many caps. I'll remove the IC and hope it didn't take everything behind to other world of ICs.

I think 1R50 means 1.5 ohms? Might be current limiting resistors for when the motor starts up. And if you're measuring with the resistors still in circuit then you could be measuring other resistors in parallel, so you may not get a true reading of the component.

Removed from the board.
Even other 205 instead of 2Mohm read 80kohms... Once removed 2Mohms as it should.

I really can't figure out what went bad. I'll do a soldering job and be at peace with it.

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Reply 11 of 13, by Nexxen

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weedeewee wrote on 2021-08-15, 16:57:
snufkin wrote on 2021-08-15, 16:35:

I think 1R50 means 1.5 ohms? Might be current limiting resistors for when the motor starts up. And if you're measuring with the resistors still in circuit then you could be measuring other resistors in parallel, so you may not get a true reading of the component.

if you're measuring the resistor itself, anything in parallel will cause a lower value to be read. (unless the resistor itself is bad)
if you're somehow measuring something in series with the resistor you're not measuring the resistor.

I've learnt that.
So many mistakes in my past as a wanna be repair man 😀

Even caps have a resistance reading, a lot of them.
Something is wrong.

There are NPN and PNP that give false shorts, and ICs that work in ways I don't yet understand. I used to think they were bad but in fact fine. I'm not able to pinpoint the issue with my current knowledge.
Honestly I just replace the obvious and see. I have a lot of CFs, not really stressing about it.
But, you know, learning is nice.

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Reply 12 of 13, by Nexxen

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Voltage injection and a FIR cam could help, but then I have to open a repair shop... 😀
Could try with +5 and +12?

Who knows!

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Reply 13 of 13, by Nexxen

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maxtherabbit wrote on 2021-08-15, 16:33:
Horun wrote on 2021-01-19, 01:58:

There is a reason it burnt. Maybe bad caps, bearings/motor failing, shorted heads or ?? drawing more power than the amp can supply. Need to find why it burned out.

sometimes ICs just fail for no other reason

Insurances take into account "acts of god", options are open!

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PC#2 PIII-1Ghz - 98SE/W2K

- "One hates the specialty unobtainium parts, the other laughs in greed listing them under a ridiculous price" - kotel studios
- Bare metal ist krieg.