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Reply 260 of 310, by Anonymous Coward

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This ALI 1429 board has some pretty good DRAM performance. You should try to see if you can get the SXL to do 50MHz.

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Reply 261 of 310, by GigAHerZ

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Here's my machine. Trying to make it the best possible 386 while still being a real 386. (So 486DLC, which i do have, doesn't count)

CPU: Am386DX-40
FPU: Cx83D87-40GP
Motherboard: M-321
Cache: 256kB + WriteBack chip installed
BIOS: Tightest settings available + AMISETUP used for some hidden settings
Memory: 8x4MB
HDD: CompactFlash 4GB
Also using XTIDE Universal Bios on a DE-250CT NIC. (NE2000 compatible card)

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"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!

Reply 262 of 310, by stalk3r

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Second run but this time with a 386DX instead of DLC. 21 MB/s is so close, but cannot jump it, no matter how I play around with the settings.

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Reply 263 of 310, by Am386DX-40

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Going by what GigAHerz and stalk3r posted, and my own benchmark found in the previous page (Re: Post your 386 Speedsys results here) we can probably asume that we hit the limit of the "real" 386DX-40 at 31 mb/s cache and 20-21 mb/s ram.

Stalk3r is using the same motherboard as I am, and the results are astonishingly close.

Reply 264 of 310, by Baoran

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I didn't realise there was this kind of thread here before. I'll post my speedsys result here as well then.
Here is the thread where you can see all the parts: Early 90s 386 build as close to period correct as possible.
There are no other timing settings in bios except dram waitstates have been set to 0 W/S

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I also have this extra result from SI of pctools 9.0 that I thought was bit strange because it puts my 386 above that 486.

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Reply 265 of 310, by dave343

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Dos 5.0A is installed

ALI - M1429 Chipset Motherboard
AMD 386 DX 40MHz surface mounted
8MB 8x1MB -70
Cirrus Logic 5429 ISA
Sandisk 1GB CF Card
LGS controller ISA
GoTek 1.44MB floppy emulator
SMC 8416 ISA 10/100 Network Card
Creative Labs CT1740 ISA Sound

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Reply 266 of 310, by FrankieKat

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CPU: Am386DX-40
FPU: ULSI DX/DLC 40MHz
Motherboard: MSI-3121 Ver 3.0
Chipset: C+T CS82310 PEAK/DM
Cache: 128K Posted/WT Enabled
BIOS: AMI (options attached)
Memory: 8x 1M 70ns
HDC/HD: UMC UM82C862, 256GB CF (generic)
Video: ET-4000 1MB

Memory bandwidth is great, cache/memory speed is ok, CPU score is low since NPU is installed. This BIOS doesn't have a lot of the more standard options, and some I'm not really clear what they are ("TURBO Cache Function", "Back to Back Memory Cycles", etc). Any ideas what those are? Suggestions for tweaking performance welcome too!

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Reply 267 of 310, by Intel486dx33

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My "Made in USA" 386-33 build. AMD with Intel math coprocessor.
its the computer that looks like a Mac Pro.

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Made in USA 386 with Media Vision PAS16

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Reply 268 of 310, by Am386DX-40

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Been playing around with some of my 386 motherboards a bit so here are some results:

CPU: Am386DX-40
FPU: None (won't post with fpu installed, tried IIT and Cyrix, and various bioses with the same result)
Motherboard: Seritech SER-386ADIII
Chipset: Ali M1429
Cache: 128K Write Back and Write Through
BIOS: AMIBIOS
Memory: 8x 1M 70ns

It's interesting how with WB, L1 gains performance but plain memory loses performance... weird

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CPU: Am386DX-40
FPU: None and FasMath 40
Motherboard: Octek Jaguar V
Chipset: Macronix MX83C305FC and MX83C306FC
Cache: 8KB Inside chipset (WB or WT?)
BIOS: AMIBIOS and MR-BIOS
Memory: 8x 1M 70ns

Interesting how the shape of the write line is different just at the end of the cached 8kb with original AMIBIOS (which matches this post) and with MR-BIOS which doesn't show that dip. Even if MR-BIOS numbers are a bit worse in speedsys, it performs better in 3DBench, Doom, Wolf3D, Topbench, and even in Quake.

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CPU: Am386DX-40
FPU: IIT
Motherboard: PCChips M326 V5.2
Chipset: UMC UM82C491 and UM82C493F
Cache: 128K (WB or WT??)
BIOS: AMIBIOS
Memory: 8x 1M 70ns

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Reply 269 of 310, by ViTi95

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New board arrived, an Opti 495SLC 1.1 hybrid 386/486 motherboard. It came originally with a 486DX 33MHz, but I've downgraded it to an AMD 386DX 40MHz.

Also added 256Kb of fast 15ns cache, Cyrix 87DLC FPU, a Trident TGUI9440 VLB and a VLB Io controller (based on the Promise PDC20230c).

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Reply 273 of 310, by GigAHerZ

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GigAHerZ wrote on 2020-08-15, 13:03:
Here's my machine. Trying to make it the best possible 386 while still being a real 386. (So 486DLC, which i do have, doesn't co […]
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Here's my machine. Trying to make it the best possible 386 while still being a real 386. (So 486DLC, which i do have, doesn't count)

CPU: Am386DX-40
FPU: Cx83D87-40GP
Motherboard: M-321
Cache: 256kB + WriteBack chip installed
BIOS: Tightest settings available + AMISETUP used for some hidden settings
Memory: 8x4MB
HDD: CompactFlash 4GB
Also using XTIDE Universal Bios on a DE-250CT NIC. (NE2000 compatible card)

So, in the journey of making it the best 386 ever, i took the motherboard out and desoldered the crystal oscillator. Now i can replace it as i wish.
I bought 90MHz and 100MHz oscillators.
The 100MHz one doesn't even show clock being present on debug card. So i might have gotten 3.3V variant accidentally.
But the 90MHz crystal works! So it's now a 386DX-45! 😁 (Speedsys thinks, it's 50MHz, but MR-BIOS and chkcpu both confirm it to be 45MHz)
Also, in the mean time, i've gotten MR-BIOS on it. With tightest settings, it was equal to AMI bios with hidden settings adjusted.

Is that now the fastest world record true 386? 😜

Added also pictures of the machine itself.

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"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!

Reply 274 of 310, by Am386DX-40

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That's a lovely M321. I have 3 of them, but none works. 2 have severe corrosion and the 3rd one is in mint condition, looks like new, but still won't post. Weird.

Where did you get the MR-Bios?

Reply 275 of 310, by GigAHerZ

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Am386DX-40 wrote on 2022-02-19, 21:15:

That's a lovely M321. I have 3 of them, but none works. 2 have severe corrosion and the 3rd one is in mint condition, looks like new, but still won't post. Weird.

Where did you get the MR-Bios?

Yeah. That board has had quite a bit of work put into it. All cache jumpers were soldered with bridges, cache chips were soldered. Crystal oscillator (as mentioned above) was soldered. Everything had to be desoldered and socketed. (and i also added few decoupling capacitors that were missing) Plus the ordinary CMOS battery replacement, new BIOS chip and i had to even replace keyboard controller to fully satisfy the MR-BIOS.

I got it from one of the links here: How about a MR-BIOS ROM file repository?
Ultimate Retro has it available as well: https://www.ultimateretro.net/en/motherboards/3059#downloads
I know there's both 1.65 and 1.30 versions of MR BIOS for it. Don't know, which version is on Ultimate Retro. The code (V020B324) is the same, so you should easily find it. 😀

I had quite a journey with this board as well: Chipset datasheet for M321 (PC Chips) [Found chipset! OPTi 82C391] (MR BIOS is available in the thread as well)

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!

Reply 277 of 310, by Anonymous Coward

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Which ones do you like?

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Reply 278 of 310, by feipoa

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I think he's got the hots for the Symphony board. I still haven't even turned mine on. lol. I'd like to compare the SiS Rabbit with the Symphony one day.

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Reply 279 of 310, by pshipkov

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Gigahertz was talking about TRUE 386.
Symphony Haydn is a hybrid 386/486 chipset so it is outside the defined scope.
I was thinking more about ASUS 386/33-64k and Octek Jaguar V, for example.
They are clock-to-clock slower than M321 but scale better - can reach 50MHz and outdo M321 there.

As for the Symphony Haydn chipset - it is not a magical by itself.
Tried at least 5-6 386/486 mobos by different vendors and they are ok at best.
It is DTK's magic touch in PEM-4036Y that made it stand out.
That package is ahead of any other classic 386 mobo and majority of VLB ones.
It takes late hybrid systems like Alaris Leopard/Cougar with BL2/3 CPUs running at 80+ MHz to partially outdo PEM-4036Y running at 50MHz.
Different story - we looked and talked at length about that stuff in another thread nearby.

M321 is a great board itself.
It was my entry point to the retro 386 game.
I picked it up after long research and it holds special status for me. 😀

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