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First post, by Skyscraper

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My last project, the Compaq deskpro 4000 5133 is back in its box.
Some hardware trouble that I dont feel like dealing with right now, instead I found the acual motherboard I used for a little less than a year 1997 - 1998.
Im the type of guy that saves almost everything so most motherboards I have owned but not managed to sell I still have lying around in closets and drawers.
In the autumn of 1997 I bought a cheap Soyo SY-5EAS and a then very expensive pentium 200 mmx.
The soyo board uses the Via Apollo VPX, a chipset that has a somewhat dubious record but I cant remeber that I had any serious issues with it.

The pentium mmx I had was a really good overclocker, it did 250 and 263 mhz without breaking a sweat and 291.5 with the case open and 0.2v extra voltage.
Sadly I sold it to a friend that used it to upgrade the p133 machine he was running, luckily I have gathered lots of PC junk since then so finding a new one was not an issue.
I found 4 pentium mmx when I was looking for parts in my apprtment for the deskpro build, three 200 mhz and a 166 mhz.
Two of the 200s turned out to be lacking the 3.5x multiplier, and the third hanged while booting dos at 3.5*75mhz. I only used a small heatsink without any grease during initial testing so perhaps it would be able to run at 263 with proper cooling.
The 166 mhz turned out to be the strongest, it has no problems at all running at 263 mhz at stock voltage with only a small heatsink. Now when it has a fan im sure it will do 291.5 mhz if I add a small amount of voltage.

Since this is a proper build in a big case I can use the full lenght awe32 that I also found while looking for parts for the deskpro build.
First I thought of letting a voodoo 3 2000 to handle the grapics but the cpu will not be able to utilize it fully so I will save it for another build.
Instead of the voodoo 3 I chose a Matrox Millenium II and the voodoo 2 I used in the earlier build. A 3com network card and a 64 mb PC 100 sdram stick and the hardware list is almost complete.

The case I plan to use comes from a dual pentium pro server which I rescued from the same dumpster I found the Compaq deskpro in, this must have been during 2002 or 2003 since I moved late 2003.
The case can hold two complete systems if you use baby AT motherboards, or just one system if you use a full size AT board as was the case when I found it.
It also had dual redundant power supplies which I sadly cant find so they have probably been lost while moving or perhaps they are in my cold storage under loads and loads of tires belonging to cars I used to own.

Enough of talk, where are the pictures?

Oh here

The Leviathan

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Not that big you say 😁

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Its easier to get a grasp of the size in this picure where you see the two holes that will fit motherboard trays

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And the hardware that soon will fill it *cough cough* ... fill some of it.

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Say what you want concerning the Soundblaster awe32 ct2760 but its pretty intimidating, fits this build perfect.

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A cpu that diddnt meet the criterias for this build, I kind of like overclocking.

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Another bad apple, there is a third but it looks exactly the same. The forth and best is mounted on the board.

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The Motherboard or to quote a swedish magazine* "The Mother Modem -The heart of the hardrive" *not a computer magazine

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The Matrox Millenium II, scratches everywhere. This card has been with me since it was bought new, think it was in 1997.

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The Voodoo 2 card, the same as I used in the deskpro.

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An old 3com ISA network card

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A quick check with speedsys to see that things are working... Almost 200 cpu points, not bad.

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I also did some game testing. Pinball Illusions works great, Tyrian gets the "over 300 mhz pascal compiler bug error" altough the cpu only runs at 263 mhz. I cant really take this as a bad sign.

Last edited by Skyscraper on 2013-09-26, 20:32. Edited 5 times in total.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 1 of 26, by vetz

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Nice case. Completely overkill, but hey, who is going to say anything? 🤣

Btw, that is not a Matrox Mystique, but a Matrox Millennium II.

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Reply 2 of 26, by Skyscraper

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I have always called it the Mystique and downloaded Mystique drivers for it. You learn something new every day 😁
As a side note. A long time ago when I was playing with my old 486 dx2 80 on a late 486 board with both PCI and VESA local bus I tried to make it run at 50 mhz fsb with 50mhz PCI clock, this card was the only one that could handle it.
The s3 and cirrus logic cards I had at the time, both PCI and a VESA would not even post.
The size of the case will make more sense when I put a second system in it.

I will do an edit to correct my mistake 😀

Last edited by Skyscraper on 2013-09-26, 19:42. Edited 2 times in total.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 3 of 26, by nforce4max

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That compaq stuff is a heap of junk but that is one hell of an epic case! I haven't seen such a server case as the one you have and it is in great shape. The rest of us can only dream of such a case. Two in one very envious. Wish that I can get my hands on such a case >.<

Tosses in SS7 AT and a socket 3 alongside= dream complete. 😁

On a far away planet reading your posts in the year 10,191.

Reply 4 of 26, by Tiremaster400

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Heh. I thought I was the only one that hoarded car tires. I must have 200 tires at my house, in the backyard, shed and garage and 4 vehicles and spares.....

Nice build and awesome case. Interesting that the matrox can handle the 50mhz fsb and I like seeing socket 7 Intels overclocked. An Intel 200mhz MMX still seems powerful to me, it was my only workhorse from 1997 to 2005 until the Win95 memory leakage got so bad it was unusable and the trident video card went bad.

Reply 7 of 26, by Skyscraper

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A small update

The system as it is at the moment.
As you see, one of the two motherboard trays has been modified when they built the dual ppro machine.
I have that motherboard, its a full AT board. I would like to use it, but it dosnt post anymore.
I did work when I found the box but the battery have now leaked and damaged components close to it.
The battery is removed but I doubt there is any hope.

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A speedsys score im pleased with.
150 points at 200 mhz and 217.5 at 292 mhz, thats perfect scaling with the increased clock frequency.

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I installed windows 98se so I can run some more benchmarks and play some gl quake!
This is demo1 - 640*480, 59.2 fps. I did run all demos several times, always 59 - 59.5 fps
Can the fps go higher than the LCDs 60hz ? I diddnt have a LCD monitor last time I played Q1 😁

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I heard that you people like images so I put some images in the images...
No jpg compression, the images are too large to move without splitting them on several disks.
666 MIPS 333 MFLOPS in Sisoft Sandra 99 CPU bench
Its nice that they have the score for a 266mmx in the database, must be the one for laptops.

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3dmark99 MAX, slideshow edition

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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 8 of 26, by Skyscraper

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Its time for a update

In the pictues posted so far you see a lcd monitor.
A LCD monitor feels a bit out of place when it comes to retro gaming so here are two pics of a more fitting dumpster find.
Its a Samsung Syncmaster 959nf 19" trinitron monitor that I rescued a couple of years ago but never used.
The screen is very dirty and looks blurred in the picures but in reality the colors are perfect and the picture is very sharp.

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I also managed to put together the second system.
It will be used for games that suffer from the pascal compiler bug since the p166 mmx @ 292 already trigger it and it will only get worse when the Soyo bord gets a k6-2/3.
The second system will be a slower system but not to slow since I want to play games like tyrian using the "pentium" detail setting.
The slow system will start of as a pentium 150 but I also have a p100 cpu that I can down clock to 75 mhz if I find the p150 to fast. It has 64mb edo memory, sb16 and Ati mach64 graphics.
A friend got this system as a birthday present in 1996. He was going to throw it away around year 2005 but I saved it!. As with all other AT cases I did throw away the case for this system a few years ago, stupid me.

All parts in one picure.

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The Asus p55tp4n motherboard.

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The CPU

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Close up!

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The rest of the system card

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Everything mounted on the motherboard tray

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Its alive!

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Speedsys

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Quake timedemo demo1

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A large but quiet fan. Its not for the cpu but for the voltage regulator that gets a bit too hot.

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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 11 of 26, by mr_bigmouth_502

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I can just imagine the possibilities; you could set up a KVM so you could swap between the two machines while one is transferring files or whatever, or you could have two workstations (meaning keyboard, mouse + monitor) hooked up to it and network the two machines for head-to-head Doom or whatever. 😁

Reply 12 of 26, by Half-Saint

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This is fricking awesome! I'd just stick two systems in there, place the case under my workdesk and forget about it. This would actually save space and as somebody mentioned, KVM would also come in handy.

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Reply 13 of 26, by Skyscraper

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I have a KVM, I just need ps2 mouse ports, both boards have headers for them.
Or I could try to find the ps2 to serial adapters I have... somewere...

A small update.

The "fast" system got a CPU upgrade
I really need a super socket 7 board but this will have to do for now.
I also installed a awe64 since the awe32 is needed in the pure DOS system.

Same score as a k6-3 😉

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It playes Unreal Gold surprisingly well using the voodoo 2 at resulution 800*600
25 - 50 fps, sometimes it drops lower but no freezes or extreme stuttering so far.
If I compare with when I ran unreal the first time 15 years ago using a Pentium mmx@263/292 on this same motherboard it is an improvment.
Perhaps I should switch back to the Pentium mmx CPU so I can relive the freezes and stuttering 😁
Late spring or early summer 1998 I upgraded to an overclocked P2 233 on a Asus LX board, the speed of that system @292mhz felt somewhat simular to the K6-2.
A couple of months later I bought a Abit BH6. I will build a second retro box using the BH6, not the one I had, its lost 🙁 but a new BH6 I just bought 😀.

I upgraded the slow system with a Diamond Sealth 64 S3 Trio64V+
Someone has made a great compability list that clearly shows S3 > all
I also installed the awe32 with opl3 in this system since the faster system mostly will run games in windows.

The Diamond Sealth 64 S3 Trio64V+

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It acually improved the fps in quake!

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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 14 of 26, by TELVM

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Skyscraper wrote:
... A large but quiet fan. Its not for the cpu but for the voltage regulator that gets a bit too hot. […]
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... A large but quiet fan. Its not for the cpu but for the voltage regulator that gets a bit too hot.

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Cool (pun intended) idea, non-heatsinked VRMs often get unhealthy hot. I always ghetto-mod them for peace of mind and higher overclock.

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Let the air flow!

Reply 15 of 26, by Skyscraper

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The VRM on the Asus p55tp4n already had a heatsink, but it was not enough which I noticed by touching it by mistake. It left a mark! 😁

I think I will replace it with the Soyo board anyway since the performance part of this build is getting upgraded with the PC Chips m577 motherboard.
The m577 can cache 255 (not 256) megabytes of memory while the Soyo board only could cache 64. 100 mhz fsb, adjustable memory cas settings and K6-3+ support are other things the m577 brings to the table.

The m577

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Speedsys. An improvement over the Soyo board, especially the memory scores.

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PCPbench. I have no idea if this is good or bad, no tweaks or VESA drivers loaded.

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3d Mark 99 Max. This is with a Voodoo Banshee but I think the score with a voodoo 2 would be almost the same. I am pretty sure that the m577 beats the Soyo board.
I have not decided if I should use the Banshee, Voodoo 2 or the Voodoo 3 with this board.

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PC Mark 2002

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SuperPi 1m. 8m 34s
Still a bit slow but im sure things vill improve when I get my hands on a K6-3(+)
At least it demolishes the Soyo boards score.

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Some stuff I still have to figure out.
The hdd auto detect in the bios freezes when it tries to identify large hdds.
20gb and 30gb drives works perfect but when I install a 40gb drive it freezes and its the same for all larger drives I tried.
The bios version I use is supposed to support everything up to 128gb.
The floppy drive I used when I flashed corrupts everything it reads so the problem maybe solved with a reflash. (I diddnt know that the floppydrive was bad I flashed the bios)

Via dosnt make great drivers...
The Voodoo Banshee works perfectly. 72 fps in GLquake and no crahes when I tried lots of DOS games in windows 98.
When I install the Via hyperion 4 in 1 drivers (4.46? It was a version from 2004) every application that uses Direct3d or Glide makes the system freeze.
The only exeption that I found is 3dmark 99, it still runs and even gains a few points.

The third issue is that DivX video plays at very very high speed 😁
Serious timing issues, I think I have read about it somewhere.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 16 of 26, by GeorgeMan

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Try hyperion 4.35 😉
And standard AGP mode, not turbo when installing them.

Nice system!

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Reply 17 of 26, by Skyscraper

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I found it! *jumping up and down*

I wrote earlier in this thread that the power supply for the Leviathan was lost.
The only place I had not searched was under a pile of ~40 rims with tires and other stuff in my cold storage.
And there it was!

Notice that there are cables for 3 systems. I wonder if I can fit a third board in the case somehow. 😉

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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 19 of 26, by Skyscraper

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Three systems? 😮

I think that I will stick with two systems since that is what the case is designed for 😀
The only problem I see is that I will not be able to power on only one system, its both or none.
Perhaps it can be solved by modifing the backplane of the psu. But I dont think I will do that.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.