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K6-2 Recycle Bin Rescue

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First post, by Great Hierophant

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About two weeks ago, I began to acquire a new system I came across in the town's recycling bin. I wrote all about it on my blog : http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2016/03/e … scue-super.html

But this is more of a summary, TL:DR version.

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I had little idea at first what I had found. It came in a generic AT case with an AMD K6-2 350MHz processor and a VIA motherboard. I took the CPU out of the motherboard, then I took the motherboard itself and finally the five expansion brackets connected to the various headers on the motherboard. Thanks to some information online, including some assistance from a thread on this forum, I found out the identity of this motherboard, a PC Chips M585-LMR.

I had some trouble getting it booting at first. The AT power connector was not keyed and I inserted the connectors the wrong way at first. The ATX power connector seemed to use a non-standard pinout, but then I had acquired the manual which stated that the power switch had to be plugged into the pin header vertically, not horizontally. After that, the board booted up without incident. I only have one AT case, which also is used for my 486 motherboard, so a transplant was required.

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This board is as close to an all-in-one system as you could get back in 1999, even more remarkable because it is an AT board. 10/100 LAN, functional Direct3D/OpenGL accelerated video, decent PCI sound, a modem (yucky Winmodem), USB, PS/2 mouse, 1xserial/parallel, floppy and dual UDMA/66 IDE. Nothing essential is missing, so you only get one PCI and one ISA slot. Overlocking and underclocking are supported.

I decided to install Windows 95 OSR2.1, an OS which I had only a little recent experience with. I only had a 540MB hard drive, half of which would have been gone if I used Windows 98SE. 95 is fairly svelte at 75MB. Installing the OS was easy, finding the right drivers and getting them to work to their fullest potential, or even at all, was not easy. Even though the VIA chipset incorporates a Trident Blade3D, you need a special driver, not the standard driver, to get 2D acceleration working. Getting the 3D acceleration working required using the setup program which was initially blocked until I removed the Diamond Monster 3D in the lone PCI slot.

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Reply 1 of 11, by Skyscraper

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Nice! VIA MVP4 is somewhat rare.

Have fun tinkering with it, I have heard that the on board 3D video should be decent. The board would probably benefit from a K6-2 500/550 or a K6-3+ CPU though.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 4 of 11, by Great Hierophant

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I bought the case as NOS from an ebay seller a couple of years ago, but even though it came in its original box and was wrapped in plastic, I still found a dead spider inside when I went to open it up for the first time!

I consider myself lucky. Our town only acquired a new-ish shipping container for the electronics recycling last month. Prior to that we were using this rusty, dented, structurally questionable container with a hole on top perfect for letting in rain and ruining electronics. Even so, I managed to swipe a part on occasion, and there was this firewire SB Live! that I should have taken before they finally made the last pickup.

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Reply 6 of 11, by Jolaes76

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Al Lowe would say, push the power button and it is up and coming... to life...
The beast was meant to be erected in a tower case rather than to be laid low in a desktop one... but this one does not complain 😀

"Ita in vita ut in lusu alae pessima iactura arte corrigenda est."

Reply 7 of 11, by bazingaa

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Hi, I got the same motherboard and I found your blog post really helpful. I got it even without cables for VGA etc so I am using with a PCI VGA card. My ASUS ATX form card works well for the USB+PS2 header and I can use USB keyboard to even access BIOS. I also found the motherboard manual from https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/pcchip … 85lmr#downloads

Also found VGA Cable for motherboard (one review confirms that this cable works with a PCCHIPS motherboard) : https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005339875257.html

I have a CPU multiplier issue with the board when using my Pentium MMX 233 MHZ though, I am wondering whether you faced similar issue with this board.
No matter what multiplier I set on the BIOS, it works at 2x with the selected bus speed. Same issue on "Auto : 233 MHz P55C" and "Manual" mode.
Ex : If 3.5x @ 66 selected , CPU speed is 2x66 = 133 MHz

I cleared CMOS from jumper etc but still nothing changed this behaviour. I am wondering whether this is a some so called weird thing happening with PCCHIPS.

At last, I set 2x @ 124 MHz (MB supports 60 - 124 MHz bus speeds), CPU then runs at 250 MHz. Is this a safe thing to do as it supposed to be run at 3.5x @ 66 ?

Reply 8 of 11, by Minutemanqvs

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matze79 wrote on 2016-03-22, 13:22:
https://www.vogons.org/download/file.php?id=23017 […]
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VIAGRA 😳

Probably the final work of someone in marketing, as an eternal gift to posterity ^^ I would totally have done that.

Searching a Nexgen Nx586 with FPU, PM me if you have one. I have some Athlon MP systems and cookies.

Reply 9 of 11, by paradigital

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Minutemanqvs wrote on 2023-06-10, 12:27:
matze79 wrote on 2016-03-22, 13:22:
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VIAGRA 😳

Probably the final work of someone in marketing, as an eternal gift to posterity ^^ I would totally have done that.

I’d imagine not, the board whilst not predating the discovery of Sildenafil the drug, it predates the use of “Viagra” as a marketing term due to awaiting approval for use!

Reply 10 of 11, by zyga64

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bazingaa wrote on 2023-06-07, 05:40:
Hi, I got the same motherboard and I found your blog post really helpful. I got it even without cables for VGA etc so I am using […]
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Hi, I got the same motherboard and I found your blog post really helpful. I got it even without cables for VGA etc so I am using with a PCI VGA card. My ASUS ATX form card works well for the USB+PS2 header and I can use USB keyboard to even access BIOS. I also found the motherboard manual from https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/pcchip … 85lmr#downloads

Also found VGA Cable for motherboard (one review confirms that this cable works with a PCCHIPS motherboard) : https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005339875257.html

I have a CPU multiplier issue with the board when using my Pentium MMX 233 MHZ though, I am wondering whether you faced similar issue with this board.
No matter what multiplier I set on the BIOS, it works at 2x with the selected bus speed. Same issue on "Auto : 233 MHz P55C" and "Manual" mode.
Ex : If 3.5x @ 66 selected , CPU speed is 2x66 = 133 MHz

I cleared CMOS from jumper etc but still nothing changed this behaviour. I am wondering whether this is a some so called weird thing happening with PCCHIPS.

At last, I set 2x @ 124 MHz (MB supports 60 - 124 MHz bus speeds), CPU then runs at 250 MHz. Is this a safe thing to do as it supposed to be run at 3.5x @ 66 ?

I'd say Pentium MMX working with 124 MHz FSB is somewhat "unusual" 😀 Is it working stable ?

Under the CPU fan connector (in the upper right corner) next to the memory slots, there is (unpopulated) place for jumper headers called JP6.
It is even described on PCB as RATIO (CPU multiplier settings).
I'd try to solder goldpin headers here (3x 1x3 pin) and set multiplier by jumpers.

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