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The Ultimate Windows 98 SE Machine

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First post, by MinecraftDash23

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Specs, Hardware, & PCI cards:

Intel Pentium 4 @ 1.44 Ghz
1 GB RAM (Msconfig changed to only use 512 MB)
SONY DVD-RW Dual Layer + CD Drive
MITSUMI D359M32 3+1/2 Inch Floppy Disk drive
HP 5187-1003 CD-RW + DVD-RW Drive
120 GB Samsung Spinpoint Hard Drive

Standard VGA + Composite + S-Video video card using 024 MB VBE minport driver (1024x768 millions of colors)
IEEE-1394 FireWire 400 card
USB 2.0 card with 4 slots
Standard modem card with 2 ports for Dial-Up connection and
Creative Sound Blaster Live! CT4830

Monitors:
Samsung 1080p HD TV (supports up to 1990x1024)
Additional Sylvania LC190SL1 TV/Monitor

Software:
Windows 98 Second Edition (On top of MS-DOS 7.1 Install)
Creative Sound Basted Live! Value software (Downloaded from VOGONS)
Internet explorer 6.0 (Offline installer, needed for .NET Framework)
DirectX 9.0c (last working 98SE Version

Upgrade ISO Software
My custom compile with additional software installs: (Will be uploaded later today, requires a DVD)
Original VirtualBox post: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=59559

Photos:
http://imgur.com/a/HQT1E

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Reply 2 of 22, by Oldskoolmaniac

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If your wanting a really fast windows 98 machine use the fastest p4 3.4GHz and disable hyper threading add two sticks of 512 for 1GB of ram only if your using the unofficial service pack and add the cheapest 128GB SSD you can find, that would be "Ultimate".

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Reply 3 of 22, by Tiger433

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And also GeForce 6800 or Radeon X800 will be good to add. For windows 98 will be better some Athlon XP with some board on VIA chipset or even Athlon 64.

W7 "retro" PC: ASUS P8H77-V, Intel i3 3240, 8 GB DDR3 1333, HD6850, 2 x 500 GB HDD
Retro 98SE PC: MSI MS-6511, AMD Athlon XP 2000+, 512 MB RAM, ATI Rage 128, 80GB HDD
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Reply 4 of 22, by MinecraftDash23

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Oldskoolmaniac wrote:

If your wanting a really fast windows 98 machine use the fastest p4 3.4GHz and disable hyper threading add two sticks of 512 for 1GB of ram only if your using the unofficial service pack and add the cheapest 128GB SSD you can find, that would be "Ultimate".

It just has a good software compile, a lot of PCI cards and slots, and a Pentium 4 at 1 Ghz

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Reply 5 of 22, by MinecraftDash23

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Oldskoolmaniac wrote:

If your wanting a really fast windows 98 machine use the fastest p4 3.4GHz and disable hyper threading add two sticks of 512 for 1GB of ram only if your using the unofficial service pack and add the cheapest 128GB SSD you can find, that would be "Ultimate".

I am using the unofficial service pack, generic USB drivers, and I only have 1 1GB stick, which I'm using to get the most out of it.

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Reply 6 of 22, by Standard Def Steve

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MinecraftDash23 wrote:
Oldskoolmaniac wrote:

If your wanting a really fast windows 98 machine use the fastest p4 3.4GHz and disable hyper threading add two sticks of 512 for 1GB of ram only if your using the unofficial service pack and add the cheapest 128GB SSD you can find, that would be "Ultimate".

It just has a good software compile, a lot of PCI cards and slots, and a Pentium 4 at 1 Ghz

You keep saying 1GHz P4. Is it actually an underclocked P4? If so, why? A 1GHz P3 would be faster.

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Reply 8 of 22, by Tiger433

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But why you downclocked CPU ? I saw on internet your PC has normally 1.8 Ghz and is isn`t possible to downclock CPU on OEM board and also for compiling programs downclocking CPU is pointless because for that important is time for compilation, less time is better and you have more time for coding.

W7 "retro" PC: ASUS P8H77-V, Intel i3 3240, 8 GB DDR3 1333, HD6850, 2 x 500 GB HDD
Retro 98SE PC: MSI MS-6511, AMD Athlon XP 2000+, 512 MB RAM, ATI Rage 128, 80GB HDD
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Reply 9 of 22, by kanecvr

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My ultimate win98 rig - Win98 Socket 939 Voodoo 2 SLi Build! (a.k.a. Glide Overkill)

- AMD Athlon64 2.4Ghz 3800+
- ECS KV2-Extreme VIA K8T800 PRO motherboard (AGP, DDR, SATA)
- 2x512MB DDR400 (software limited to 512MB in Win98)
- Sirtec Highpower 450W ATX PSU
- Leadtek A280LE 128MB Geforce 4 Titanium 4200 AGP 8X or Geforce 6800LE AGP 128MB unlocked to 16/6 with rivatuner. - depending on what I want to play since some older titles don't like the 6800 much
- 2x Creative 3D Blaster II CT6670 12MB in SLi
- 80GB Maxtor ATA133 HDD + 80GB WD Caviar Black
- Creative Sound Blaster 128 PCI CT4810
- Trendnet TEW-423 54mbps wifi PCI card

Reply 10 of 22, by MinecraftDash23

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Wow. Well... I'm turning this into a Pentium 4 machine I just use to have fun. I'll never have to use DVDs again, because I can just write the ISOs onto an SD card, stick it in the IDE adapter, and use it as an HD.

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Reply 11 of 22, by MinecraftDash23

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Is it an underclocked CPU?

I'm just getting confused. In the BIOS it says 1664 MHz / 800 MHz and I don't know what that's supposed to mean 😕

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Reply 12 of 22, by GuyTechie

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MinecraftDash23 wrote:

Is it an underclocked CPU?

I'm just getting confused. In the BIOS it says 1664 MHz / 800 MHz and I don't know what that's supposed to mean 😕

1664 MHz is most likely your CPU's speed.
800 MHz is most likely your FSB

P4 FSB is quad-pumped, meaning the actual FSB clockrate is 200 Mhz, but effectively running at 800 MHz.

I wonder if you overclocked because assuming you have a multiplier of 2x, at 1.664 GHz, your FSB is actually 832 Mhz.

Reply 13 of 22, by Dreamer_of_the_past

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agent_x007 wrote:

Sorry... but : What's so "Ultimate" about it ?

Well, it seems to be pretty popular these days for folks to call their computers "The Ultimate PC". Unfortunately, this particular PC is far from being "The Ultimate Windows 98 SE Machine".

Reply 14 of 22, by agent_x007

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Dreamer_of_the_past wrote:
agent_x007 wrote:

Sorry... but : What's so "Ultimate" about it ?

Well, it seems to be pretty popular these days for folks to call their computers "The Ultimate PC". Unfortunately, this particular PC is far from being "The Ultimate Windows 98 SE Machine".

Sadly... but maybe OP has some ideas to name this PC : LINK1, LINK2
"Godlike" seems OK I guess, but what do you think kanecvr ?
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Reply 15 of 22, by Carlos S. M.

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GuyTechie wrote:
1664 MHz is most likely your CPU's speed. 800 MHz is most likely your FSB […]
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MinecraftDash23 wrote:

Is it an underclocked CPU?

I'm just getting confused. In the BIOS it says 1664 MHz / 800 MHz and I don't know what that's supposed to mean 😕

1664 MHz is most likely your CPU's speed.
800 MHz is most likely your FSB

P4 FSB is quad-pumped, meaning the actual FSB clockrate is 200 Mhz, but effectively running at 800 MHz.

I wonder if you overclocked because assuming you have a multiplier of 2x, at 1.664 GHz, your FSB is actually 832 Mhz.

P4s are locked multiplier CPUs, none of them except some enginering samples are unlocked, also lowest supported multiplier on the P4 is x8

There are only 2 1.6 ghz Pentium 4 models
Pentium 4 1.6 Ghz (1.6/256/400, Willamette core)
Pentium 4 1.6A Ghz (1.6A/512/400, Northwood core)
both runs at 400 FSB (100 Mhz Quad pumped) and have a 16x multiplier

did you tried taking off the CPU heatsnik and read the text on the CPU IHS? I want to look on the model and the S-Spec as well. Look at my attached pic for example

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What is your biggest Pentium 4 Collection?
Socket 423/478 Motherboards with Universal AGP Slot
Socket 478 Motherboards with PCI-E Slots
LGA 775 Motherboards with AGP Slots
Experiences and thoughts with Socket 423 systems

Reply 17 of 22, by agent_x007

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Jade Falcon wrote:

P4 extreme edition? Also all p4s can have there muti lowered

I own P4 EE 3,2GHz (PGA 478), 3,46GHz (LGA 775) and 3,73GHz (LGA 775) - they all have locked multipliers.
First Extreme CPU from Intel to have unlocked multi is Pentium Extreme Edition 840 (a Dual Core with HT enabled, which is based on two Prescott cores).

Unlocked lower multipliers require SpeedStep/C1E support, so Northwood's and some early Prescott's can't do it.

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agent_x007 wrote:
I own P4 EE 3,2GHz (PGA 478), 3,46GHz (LGA 775) and 3,73GHz (LGA 775) - they all have locked multipliers. First Extreme CPU from […]
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Jade Falcon wrote:

P4 extreme edition? Also all p4s can have there muti lowered

I own P4 EE 3,2GHz (PGA 478), 3,46GHz (LGA 775) and 3,73GHz (LGA 775) - they all have locked multipliers.
First Extreme CPU from Intel to have unlocked multi is Pentium Extreme Edition 840 (a Dual Core with HT enabled, which is based on two Prescott cores).

Unlocked lower multipliers require SpeedStep/C1E support, so Northwood's and some early Prescott's can't do it.

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