PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-20, 23:59:

Nothing else fiddled with. You want to screw up your RAM settings in the BIOS, be my guest, nobody stops you from watching a crashfest because you thought faster and tighter RAM timings will get you faster operation on cheap SDRAM that's been slowly degrading after 20+ years. And not just cheap SDRAM, but also on qualtiy SDRAM sticks as well (Micron and Samsung).

I found my two RAM modules in the garbage. They are different. PC-100. Even they give me 2-2-2-5 timings. And it's stable
Just go and try what I'm talking about))

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-20, 23:59:

As for driver revisions, whatever works the most stable - VIA 4in1 4.43, Amigamerlin Voodoo drivers, standard RTL8139 drivers (for now, as I might give Intel a try, providing I avoid that NC3121 card which I am sure is pretty much done for), Maximus Decim's NUSB 3.6 for everything USB (and this includes both VIA's integrated chipset drivers as well as the USB2.0 card), and whatever Windows provides for the rest (which would be the OPL3-SAx soundcard).

Now you know that Viagart.vxd from version 4.16 (4.17...) is faster. He is stable

And you're expecting me to download all those benchmark stuff? No thanks. I think I've decided and will not run any benchmarks on mine. Too much time consuming for something that will run a few games (and none of which a performance hit from a USB2 and NIC card would really matter) and nothing else besides that.

As for GART, I'm sticking to whatever version 4in1 4.43 uses, and not yours. I am looking to keep everything as stock as possible (except the Voodoo3 and NUSB drivers) and not have to deal with version differences.

Therefore, stop hijacking this thread.

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-21, 11:08:

And you're expecting me to download all those benchmark stuff? No thanks. I think I've decided and will not run any benchmarks on mine. Too much time consuming for something that will run a few games (and none of which a performance hit from a USB2 and NIC card would really matter) and nothing else besides that.

As for GART, I'm sticking to whatever version 4in1 4.43 uses, and not yours. I am looking to keep everything as stock as possible (except the Voodoo3 and NUSB drivers) and not have to deal with version differences.

Therefore, stop hijacking this thread.

In the attached archive - wpcredit/wpcrset utilities that may help you increase the memory bandwidth. There is also a driver version 4.16 with a more productive Viagart.vxd which you just need to put in C:\Windows\System

You don't want to make your system better.

And? It's my own choice wheter I want to make my system better or not. So far, it runs fine with no issues, thus, your optimizations are unneeded.

If you wanted to show off your optimizations, you could have gone and made a new thread, not hijack mine.

Why has this thread devolved from being PcBytes' build post to ynopot's dick measuring contest?

appiah4 wrote on 2022-06-21, 11:32:

Why has this thread devolved from being PcBytes' build post to ynopot's dick measuring contest?

I don't measure anything. I'm trying to suggest how to make the system better and give material for this.

And none of the "optimizations" you have been insisting on would be of any benefit in my case. If anything, I would be running at speeds worse than a Cyrix 6x86.

But go on, ramble and rant around as to how I am not willing to make my system better when I've already told you any of those (besides delidding the chip which I do not have the skills nor will to attempt to do, for very good reasons) so called optimizations you've been pushing would slow down the machine worse than ever.

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-21, 11:46:

And none of the "optimizations" you have been insisting on would be of any benefit in my case. If anything, I would be running at speeds worse than a Cyrix 6x86.

How do you know this? Have you tried what I suggested? Have you done any benchmarks? - NOOOOO!!!

Most of those who built MVP3 use WPCREDIT to edit memory registers. Most of those who built the MVP3 choose the optimal driver versions. These are the standard procedures for MVP3

ynopot wrote on 2022-06-21, 12:03:

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-21, 11:46:

And none of the "optimizations" you have been insisting on would be of any benefit in my case. If anything, I would be running at speeds worse than a Cyrix 6x86.

How do you know this? Have you tried what I suggested? Have you done any benchmarks? - NOOOOO!!!

Most of those who built MVP3 use WPCREDIT to edit memory registers. Most of those who built the MVP3 choose the optimal driver versions. These are the standard procedures for MVP3

No, it is not standar procedure. My goal was to build a machine just as it would have been back in around 1999/2000, not go bonkers and push it to its limits with WPCRedit or whatever gizmos you insist on. The RTL8139 NIC and USB2.0 are simply for commodity, and so is the 40GB HDD, just because running a old 4GB HDD is not viable anymore, wear-tear wise.

I am not going to go further to explain because you wouldn't understand anyways, so I'll keep it simple.

I do not wish to optimize it to squeeze any performance out of it. I just want to peacefully play a bunch of 2D and some 3d Glide/early DirectX games, none of which need your optimizations. It is simply Murphy's law - if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And no, Quake, DOOM or Unreal Tournament aren't in that list of games, and will never be.

ynopot wrote on 2022-06-21, 12:03:

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-21, 11:46:

And none of the "optimizations" you have been insisting on would be of any benefit in my case. If anything, I would be running at speeds worse than a Cyrix 6x86.

How do you know this? Have you tried what I suggested? Have you done any benchmarks? - NOOOOO!!!

Most of those who built MVP3 use WPCREDIT to edit memory registers. Most of those who built the MVP3 choose the optimal driver versions. These are the standard procedures for MVP3

God forbid someone tries anything that is not a cookie cutter MVP3 Voodoo 3 box 🤣

I should really put together a troll Socket 7 system sometime, just to piss you off.

@ynopot: you have to understand that not everyone cares about performance improvements and fine tuning. As PcBytes said, he's already happy with his current performance and all of his games run at what he considers acceptable framerates. So even though I do agree with your suggestions.... they're still just suggestions, not actual laws; not everyone is interested in squeezing every last drop of performance out of their system.
As you saw, I already made some similar recommendations to PcBytes at the beginning of this thread, but once he explained that he's happy with the way things are, I accepted it and moved on. So... no need to act like jehovah's witnesses, man! You must learn to let go! 😀

I have no idea what's happening here but I lolled at the picture

Yeah, me too!
This is really appropriate to that conversation. But it really shouldn't end like this.
So come on, be friends, respect each others attitude. Some like to optimize their machines like hell, others just like to have some fun in actually using it.