Hi Canadacow,

Firstly congratulations on the job! It'll be a shame to see the project slow down, I've enjoyed getting home from work and eagerly checking the website for updates!
This release is sounding much better, the pitch sounds correct, just the odd track slightly off tune now.
It's been nice chatting in here, hopefully you'll not be too shattered at the end of the day to tinker with the emulator (wife permitting of course!!)

All the best,

Matt

I've just tried Ultima 6 and in the title screen the music is out of tune. The two lead instruments are correct but the bass track is two notes off key from the sound of it.
Canadacow: How was the first day on the job!
Regards,
Matt

Thanks for the info and the support! I've been using U6 as a sounding board but don't test with it very often. As for my first day on the job... I'm think I already remember what was good about graduate school. Oh well... I can always go back for my Ph.D. 😉

Originally posted by teamster1975 I've just tried Ultima 6 and in the title screen the music is out of tune. The two lead instruments are correct but the bass track is two notes off key from the sound of it.

I noticed this as well, but kind of dismissed it as a good title to test as the setup program describes the Music option as "Roland MT-32 / MIDI". That sounds to me like they just coded it for MIDI and plopped the MT32 name there as an alternative.

Could you have the same MIDI for both, yet still have enhancements for the MT32? (BTW, I know I'm over-generalizing here...but I'm not into the minutae of the MT32. I'm not sure if there's enough space left in my brain for that...).

Hmm the site appear to be down... 🙁

Anyway, in answer to Nicht Sehr Gut, The MT32 isn't GM compatible by default ( the map is different) so for the game wich put mt32/gm the same midi data are used. For few games the dev team had embedded a sysex wich change the mt32 instrument's map to be GM compatible. But few game don't do this and in result we get a bizarre sound, like a trumpet as a piano 😒

Originally posted by DjLc The MT32 isn't GM compatible by default ( the map is different) so for the game wich put mt32/gm the same midi data are used. For few games the dev team had embedded a sysex wich change the mt32 instrument's map to be GM compatible.

That sounds about right. Maybe a game with "dedicated" MT32 support would be a better "sounding board".

I'm quite certain Ultima 6 uses MT-32 and the MIDI option is just slapped on - not the other way around. At least Ultima 7 still used MT-32.

Correct. U6 was MT32 with a GM patch later on.
U7 was also MT32.

Originally posted by psz Correct. U6 was MT32 with a GM patch later on.

My point being that a game that uses a mixed-mode (MT32 & GM) probably shouldn't be the basis for any changes in the emulator.

Probably not, not. I'd say that RailRoad Tycoon would be a better choice (just an example) as it supported MT32 or AdLib.

psz wrote:

RailRoad Tycoon would be a better choice (just an example) as it supported MT32 or AdLib.

Just like Flashback, only used a separate device for digital sound effects.

is there any chance for some help on compiling midi_mt32.h into the up to date source code of Dosbox? Actual CVS of Dosbox compiles fine I just can't get it to compile with mt32 support...

Using latest mingw (gcc 3.2.3) for compiling.

Read ih8registrations' fixes.

grr, those fixes are already in the mdid_mt32.h file...
turned out it was as always user error: I didn't do a 'make clean' before compiling with midi_mt32.h and that screwed up my compile...

[Edit]
Actually I screwed up again and didn't compile with mt32 support. To get that to compile with mingw on Windows you need to edit midi_mt32.h and replace '#if defined (WIN32)' with something else.
Canadacow, mark this, better replace all those '#if defined (WIN32)' with something MSVC specific like '#if defined (MSVC)' (not sure about the exact thing to replace with).
Then it compiled fine with warnings.

Snover: ih8registrations' fixes didn't do any good in this case...

kode54 wrote:

Just like Flashback, only used a separate device for digital sound effects.

Here's an official list of games and software I use to test my emulator before each release (in order of priority):
Monkey Island 1 and 2
SQ3 (sometimes Sq4 and Sq5)
Stunts
Xwing
Ultima 6
Ultima Underworld
Silpheed
Pq2
Dune 2
Castles
Sierra's Christmas Card
KQ4
Railroad Tycoon
Hoyle's Book of Games
Civilization
Elite Plus

Here are some others I have only recently started testing it on:
Freddy Farkas
Willy Beamish
Loom
Codename: Iceman
Rise of the Dragon
Pq3
Day of the Tentacle
Kyrandia
Sam 'n Max

Any other suggestions of games with good MT-32 music worth testing on?

Microprose's Master of Orion, which btw, has selections for gm, mt-32, & lapc-1.

Helllooo!

Just thought I should mention that using Ultima 6 to test the emulator might not be a very good idea.

Take a look at this:
http://www.geocities.com/nodling/ultima/ultima.html

Originally posted by puttesnutte Just thought I should mention that using Ultima 6 to test the emulator might not be a very good […]
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Originally posted by puttesnutte Just thought I should mention that using Ultima 6 to test the emulator might not be a very good idea.

Take a look at this:
http://www.geocities.com/nodling/ultima/ultima.html

the MT-32 driver was only added as an afterthought

*heh* That explains a few things...so my instincts were right on this one.

In a way, though you're missing the point. People often refer to the Ultima series and its MT-32 music. The goal of my emulation, of course, is to get it to match what the real MT-32 does, regardless of whether it sounds good or not. 😜