VOGONS


First post, by redknight4

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

Wanted to mess aorund with win nt 3.51 with out having to dual boot a laptop and finding out the laptop is too new for it and no drivers exist for the hardware for win nt 3.51.

I was wandering since win 3.1 & 3.11 work under dosbox does win nt 3.51 work if not what emu will other than virtual pc 2007(doesn't work on xp home)

Reply 1 of 19, by wd

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Author
Rank
DOSBox Author

nope, but guess qemu/vmware/vpc/virtualbox should work
(vpc runs rather well on xp home, dunno)

Reply 2 of 19, by leileilol

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Try it on QEMU instead

apsosig.png
long live PCem
FUCK "AI"

Reply 3 of 19, by redknight4

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

thank you for the information. I'll try qemu and the others mentioned.

Reply 4 of 19, by butterfly

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

you can run Windows 95 under DOSBox

Reply 5 of 19, by leileilol

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Windows NT isn't Win9x.

Windows NT is hardly a DOS os at all, so no

apsosig.png
long live PCem
FUCK "AI"

Reply 6 of 19, by h-a-l-9000

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Author
Rank
DOSBox Author

> you can run Windows 95 under DOSBox

As long as it doesn't have to use the page file 😉

1+1=10

Reply 7 of 19, by dh4rm4

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Win NT isn't a mere DOS. It's a scheduled, paged, memory protected, tiered security-driven multi-user OS that was designed to be reasonably device and CPU independent. There were even versions of NT 3.51 and 4.00 (different HALs actually) made to run DEC(Compaq/HP) Alpha machines which had an entirely different CPU architecture (some of which incidentally we now use as parts of SMT, SMP and other forms of parallelism) to the Intel 386/486/early Pentium of the day. It uses more resources than some of the most complex games ever developed so DOSBox would likely need an overhaul to offer a far more robust and complete emulation to support NT.

Reply 8 of 19, by butterfly

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

As long as it doesn't have to use the page file Wink

I don't know. I can run Windows 95 inside DOSBox and I can run some programs.

Windows NT isn't Win9x.

I'm not saying DOSBox can run Windows NT since it can run Windows 95.

Reply 9 of 19, by h-a-l-9000

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Author
Rank
DOSBox Author

Well Starcraft Demo only runs with memsize=63 (or maybe a few less) else crashes to desktop.

1+1=10

Reply 11 of 19, by butterfly

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
h-a-l-9000 wrote:

Well Starcraft Demo only runs with memsize=63 (or maybe a few less) else crashes to desktop.

I said programs, not games.

Reply 12 of 19, by wd

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Author
Rank
DOSBox Author

I think wd? released a patch

Nope, only atapi cdrom. Dunno if NT would work if ide ports are available,
at least that was the stopper when i tried to get it working last time.

Reply 13 of 19, by Dominus

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Moderator
Rank
DOSBox Moderator

I'm not saying DOSBox can run Windows NT since it can run Windows 95.

Then why start on that at all in a NT thread? It's useless and annoying, especially if the thread then gets cluttered with more off topic replies. Can anyone of the ops clean this up?

Windows 3.1x guide for DOSBox
60 seconds guide to DOSBox
DOSBox SVN snapshot for macOS (10.4-11.x ppc/intel 32/64bit) notarized for gatekeeper

Reply 14 of 19, by abyss

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Well it may work if installed by first installing win 3.11 on win 95 then installing the nt on win 3.11 or win 95.

Reply 15 of 19, by dh4rm4

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

eh? I don't think so. Stick to subjects you know a little about abyss...

Reply 16 of 19, by h-a-l-9000

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Author
Rank
DOSBox Author

Hm too bad we'll never know what it wants...
This is with old-style IDE port.
Dynamic core makes it furthest, normal and full crash earlier. Setup stage.

In Reactos the error code means SMSS didn't initialize in time but no idea how similar it is to NT 4.

Reply 17 of 19, by wd

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Author
Rank
DOSBox Author

I got further, i got further 😀
ReactOS seems to use mmx instructions and doesn't check if they
are available, which creates nice trouble.

Reply 18 of 19, by h-a-l-9000

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Author
Rank
DOSBox Author

Of course you as CPU core specialist 😉

Some time ago the Reactos people switched to Pentium as minimum system requirement (the cmpxchg instruction I think - Internet Exlorer 5 on Win95 needs that too).

1+1=10

Reply 19 of 19, by wd

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Author
Rank
DOSBox Author

No, was something different with their gui, i think it was mmx and i didn't
really want to implement that... Pentium as minimal requirement is fine,
but mmx sucks 😉