This should be in the DOSBox forum.

did i post this is the wrong forum?.. *checks* .. damn your right, sorry about that.

IIRC one of the F keys on top toggles the limiter.

leileilol wrote:

IIRC one of the F keys on top toggles the limiter.

Yes it does, but the issue is that in the interaction with dosbox it seems to not limit it to the correct frame rate, the game while limited still runs in an unplaybly fast pace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mvPg6FZfF4

This video illustrates the issue quite well, as you might be able to gleem from the video the cars are way to fast to be able to steer and i had the game on my old DOS pc and i do not remember it playing anything close to that chaotic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02kMHWKaMg8

This video is from the PS1 version that runs closer to the framerate i remember, here you can actualy play the game without hitting everything.

Im allmost 99% sure there is some janky issue with v-sync limiting and dosbox when it comes to this game but i wont be 100% sure until someone can test it out on a old DOS machine to see if im right.

Moved this to DOSBox Games/Apps.

The frame limiter is on by default in GTA, and as fast as the game might seem with the limiter on, it's faster still with the limiter off.

You didn't mention it, so I have to ask: did you try limiting cycles? Something like "cycles auto limit 40000" or so?

ripsaw8080 wrote:

Moved this to DOSBox Games/Apps.

The frame limiter is on by default in GTA, and as fast as the game might seem with the limiter on, it's faster still with the limiter off.

You didn't mention it, so I have to ask: did you try limiting cycles? Something like "cycles auto limit 40000" or so?

Yes i have tried to mess around with cycle counts at both 20000 & 30000, with different cores aswell and the game will still attempt to run at benny hill like pace (with 20000 being choppy, and 30000~40000 running with minimal choppyness) but still being utterly unplaybale in terms of pace.

My memory of GTA on a dos machine is 20+ years old, so i cannot say for certain that the game didnt allways run at this stupid crazy speed compared to the playstation version but something tells me, this has to do with some crazy interaction with dosbox.

I've even tried running in it in Daum's 3DFX branch and that still produces the same results.

What im really interested in, would be someone with a old Pentium 100 or equivilent machine testing it on a real dos rig. This is really just making me mental trying to make work the way i want it to.

Yeah, it's not easy to drive in GTA DOS. I never liked the zooming out/in as you speed up/down -- I know why it's like that, it just starts to get to me after awhile.

BTW, radio station (i.e. CD audio) volume works correctly in SVN, such as the radio being muffled when you drive under something.

Yeah I've gotten everything to work the way i want it to, except the speed. And i just need a definitive answer from someone who either remembers it clearly (or better yet, still has a period machine that can test it) then compare it with footage from YouTube (any will do) to see if the game actually runs at that speed natively or not.

I remember it fast on a real machine too. The PSX versions (which were later) to me are very sluggish and I wouldn't bear trying to playing them. The same applies for GTA2 - the PSX version is noticably slower 😀

I don't see what's going on here. This seems to be the speed at which GTA 1 runs on PC, if it is fast enough to hit 60fps. Not much else to it, it runs exactly like that on my older PCs as well and you can clearly tell that the only reason the game is slower on the PS1 is because it can't keep up. It's pretty jerky.

Not that I'm very fond of the control of the vehicles in this game, I just like it for nostalgic reasons. Kris of Ancient DOS Games collaborated with HG101 on a great video discussing the many issues with the original game. Great watch, I really enjoy these guys and Kris was superb and spot on with his observations.

If you like the performance of the PS1 version, why not try it on an emulator? ePSXe or PCSX-R will allow you to run it at higher resolutions and pSX will run the game on its native resolution if you don't care about all that.

What about the Windows version? It shoud work fine with dgVoodoo 2. 😀

If you can upload a video, we might be able to actually tell whether it runs faster than intended 😀

Rockstar never really got the hang of working with high framerates until the PC version of GTA V was released. 😜 Compared to the travesty that was the PC version of GTA IV, GTA V is surprisingly well optimized. The in game VRAM meter is a lying POS though. I can play quite well at around an average of 45-60 FPS in 1080p with some of the settings turned up, but if I kept going by the ingame meter, I'd still be running at 720p with lower settings.

tbh every DMA Design/Rockstar North game from Menace to GTASA has been capped at or strictly designed for 25-30fps (I think it's 25, given Scotland, PAL, being half of 50hz). Uniracers is the exception. 😀

F2bnp wrote:

I don't see what's going on here. This seems to be the speed at which GTA 1 runs on PC, if it is fast enough to hit 60fps. Not much else to it, it runs exactly like that on my older PCs as well and you can clearly tell that the only reason the game is slower on the PS1 is because it can't keep up. It's pretty jerky.

Not that I'm very fond of the control of the vehicles in this game, I just like it for nostalgic reasons. Kris of Ancient DOS Games collaborated with HG101 on a great video discussing the many issues with the original game. Great watch, I really enjoy these guys and Kris was superb and spot on with his observations.

If you like the performance of the PS1 version, why not try it on an emulator? ePSXe or PCSX-R will allow you to run it at higher resolutions and pSX will run the game on its native resolution if you don't care about all that.

That was my question, if the video you posted with Kris talking is the speed the game is intended to play at, then dosbox is running it at the correct framerate (and at that speed, the game is basicly unplayable or at the very least un-enjoyable) having vague memorys from 20+ years ago will be hazy and if it runs at the correct speed, then my memory has failed me in this instance.

I allready own both PS versions and they are vastly more playable even though you feel they are jerky, i can highly recommend them, as the tradeoff with smooth framerate to a game you can actualy drive in without hitting absolutly every car on the road makes the game a very enjoyable quick romp.

I can test it when I get home if you want.

MrEWhite wrote:

I can test it when I get home if you want.

Sure that would be cool, if you have a period machine to test it on (around pentium 100 or better) that would put my wondering to rest.

Dybdal wrote:

MrEWhite wrote:

I can test it when I get home if you want.

Sure that would be cool, if you have a period machine to test it on (around pentium 100 or better) that would put my wondering to rest.

I can try it in a Pentium Pro 200. But I tested it on my Pentium 3 and main machine with the P3 running the DOS version and main running the Windows version. Both fine imo.

MrEWhite wrote:

Dybdal wrote:

MrEWhite wrote:

I can test it when I get home if you want.

Sure that would be cool, if you have a period machine to test it on (around pentium 100 or better) that would put my wondering to rest.

I can try it in a Pentium Pro 200. But I tested it on my Pentium 3 and main machine with the P3 running the DOS version and main running the Windows version. Both fine imo.

What im interrested in, is what frame-rate the game is running at nativly.
Does it run as fast as this video is showing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kiCbfTxwtg thats what i want to know.