Not familiar with Funai, but I see enough I do recognize:

- case is an InWin IW-A500P
- motherboard is a Chaintech CT-6BTM
- sound card is an Ensoniq AudioPCI (aka pretty near SoundBlaster 64 PCI, possibly already labeled as such if it has an ES1371 chip, otherwise it's an ES1370)
- video card is tricky, unless someone recognizes the exact pattern of SMD caps. My guess would be SiS 6326 AGP or perhaps Intel i740.
- second optical drive is a Philips CDRW1610A
- first optical drive looks like a Sony-made (but possibly differently branded; Creative, Compaq and others used them) 32x CDROM drive
- CPU is an SECC1 Pentium 2 CPU. Can't make out seed, but SECC1 implies <400MHz. Given that this is a 100MHz-capable BX board, I'd speculate that it's most likely to be a P2-350.
- 235W FSP PSU, 'Power Man' branded.
- can't make out the DIMMs, but they have 8 chips on both sides. Assuming those to be 64Mb chips, that means 128MB per DIMM, if they are 128Mb chips, it's 256MB per DIMM. However that's a lot of RAM for this period, so it's also possible they are 16Mb chips, in which case it's 32MB per DIMM for 64MB total.

All in all this looks like a late 1998. early 1999 mid-range system, built with a refreshing focus on good, simple components that are easily upgradable, rather than typical OEM 'cram fastest possible CPU on crappiest possible motherboard'. Biggest risk is bad caps on the motherboard, particularly behind the CPU.

There are no single stand-out parts that would make it worth my while (as someone with multiple P2/P3 era systems, including one in an almost identical InWin case) to buy it, but if you don't already have such a system it has lots of potential. For DOS, add one (or two, or three) ISA sound cards and if necessary replace the AGP card with something with S3, 3dfx or nVidia for best SVGA compatibility. For Windows, you probably want a MUCH beefier VGA card (GF2 or so would be nice, but even a period-correct TNT2-Ultra or Matrox G400 would be a big improvement) and maybe CPU upgrade. Everything up to Katmai P3-600 will work with at worst a BIOS upgrade, but for Coppermine you need an E-revision 6BTM or newer. Can't see the revision here, it might be on the sticker on the BIOS EEPROM (behind the sound card). For Windows sound, an A3D or EAX card might be nice.

dionb wrote on 2022-01-24, 14:03:

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Not familiar with Funai, but I see enough I do recognize:

- case is an InWin IW-A500P
- motherboard is a Chaintech CT-6BTM
- sound card is an Ensoniq AudioPCI (aka pretty near SoundBlaster 64 PCI, possibly already labeled as such if it has an ES1371 chip, otherwise it's an ES1370)
- video card is tricky, unless someone recognizes the exact pattern of SMD caps. My guess would be SiS 6326 AGP or perhaps Intel i740.
- second optical drive is a Philips CDRW1610A
- first optical drive looks like a Sony-made (but possibly differently branded; Creative, Compaq and others used them) 32x CDROM drive
- CPU is an SECC1 Pentium 2 CPU. Can't make out seed, but SECC1 implies <400MHz. Given that this is a 100MHz-capable BX board, I'd speculate that it's most likely to be a P2-350.
- 235W FSP PSU, 'Power Man' branded.
- can't make out the DIMMs, but they have 8 chips on both sides. Assuming those to be 64Mb chips, that means 128MB per DIMM, if they are 128Mb chips, it's 256MB per DIMM. However that's a lot of RAM for this period, so it's also possible they are 16Mb chips, in which case it's 32MB per DIMM for 64MB total.

All in all this looks like a late 1998. early 1999 mid-range system, built with a refreshing focus on good, simple components that are easily upgradable, rather than typical OEM 'cram fastest possible CPU on crappiest possible motherboard'. Biggest risk is bad caps on the motherboard, particularly behind the CPU.

There are no single stand-out parts that would make it worth my while (as someone with multiple P2/P3 era systems, including one in an almost identical InWin case) to buy it, but if you don't already have such a system it has lots of potential. For DOS, add one (or two, or three) ISA sound cards and if necessary replace the AGP card with something with S3, 3dfx or nVidia for best SVGA compatibility. For Windows, you probably want a MUCH beefier VGA card (GF2 or so would be nice, but even a period-correct TNT2-Ultra or Matrox G400 would be a big improvement) and maybe CPU upgrade. Everything up to Katmai P3-600 will work with at worst a BIOS upgrade, but for Coppermine you need an E-revision 6BTM or newer. Can't see the revision here, it might be on the sticker on the BIOS EEPROM (behind the sound card). For Windows sound, an A3D or EAX card might be nice.

My hero! Thank you so much for this in depth response. I don't have a P3-build yet, so I'm looking for a system to start with. I already assembled some components such as a Voodoo 3000, a Coppermine P3 933 MHZ and a Asus P2B motherboard so I got something to work with. I'll probably hit this guy up to see for how much he wants to sell it.

I've seen a lot of Funai .. Stereo systems .. 😀

My guess on the video card is a Diamond Speedstar A50 (SiS 6326)

bassix6 wrote on 2022-01-24, 14:50:

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My hero! Thank you so much for this in depth response. I don't have a P3-build yet, so I'm looking for a system to start with. I already assembled some components such as a Voodoo 3000, a Coppermine P3 933 MHZ and a Asus P2B motherboard so I got something to work with. I'll probably hit this guy up to see for how much he wants to sell it.

For a starting P3 build, this would be fine, at least if the board is a late revision that supports CuMine - which is also an issue with P2B (that needs to be over rev 1.12). The one thing the P2B has as an advantage over the 6BTM, is that it supports a 1/4 PCI divider. So if you want to OC the board and run that P3-933EB at 7x133MHz, you can still run PCI at 33MHz, which is important, as where most AGP cards shrug off 88MHz AGP, running PCI at 44MHz will generally fail due to I/O controllers (IDE, SCSI) experiencing data corruption.

That said, if you already have a P3, a P2B and a Voodoo3, all you really need is a case, PSU and sound card. If this system is cheap, it provides those, but the really valuable bits you already have.

H3nrik V! wrote on 2022-01-24, 16:08:

I've seen a lot of Funai .. Stereo systems .. 😀

I saw a Funai VCR once. It sticks in my mind because I had never heard of this brand before.

Impressive spotting dionb. Especially the CPU!

Pierre32 wrote on 2022-01-24, 21:52:

Impressive spotting dionb. Especially the CPU!

Beginning to doubt that one as I've also found the original listing on a local ad site and it claims it to be a "P3". That said, that's definitely an SECC1 and I'm not aware of any P3 being released in SECC1. And the seller says he removed HDD, and now has "no way of testing the system", so he probably doesn't have a clue (also it might not POST, but if OP has a spare P2B that's not too much of an issue).

dionb wrote on 2022-01-24, 19:35:

bassix6 wrote on 2022-01-24, 14:50:

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My hero! Thank you so much for this in depth response. I don't have a P3-build yet, so I'm looking for a system to start with. I already assembled some components such as a Voodoo 3000, a Coppermine P3 933 MHZ and a Asus P2B motherboard so I got something to work with. I'll probably hit this guy up to see for how much he wants to sell it.

For a starting P3 build, this would be fine, at least if the board is a late revision that supports CuMine - which is also an issue with P2B (that needs to be over rev 1.12). The one thing the P2B has as an advantage over the 6BTM, is that it supports a 1/4 PCI divider. So if you want to OC the board and run that P3-933EB at 7x133MHz, you can still run PCI at 33MHz, which is important, as where most AGP cards shrug off 88MHz AGP, running PCI at 44MHz will generally fail due to I/O controllers (IDE, SCSI) experiencing data corruption.

That said, if you already have a P3, a P2B and a Voodoo3, all you really need is a case, PSU and sound card. If this system is cheap, it provides those, but the really valuable bits you already have.

Damn, I just noticed my P2b is a rev 1.02. Is there any way I could get the P3 933 MHZ to work with it or did I just buy a wrong board and do I have to look for a replacement or a different cpu?

bassix6 wrote on 2022-01-25, 09:27:

Damn, I just noticed my P2b is a rev 1.02. Is there any way I could get the P3 933 MHZ to work with it or did I just buy a wrong board and do I have to look for a replacement or a different cpu?

Not necessarily - board revision is only one factor affecting the choice of cpu...you need to check both the voltage regulator & clock generator chips to see exactly what your particular board is capable of.

My guess would be that it will probably work at least at 700MHz (7 x 100) - everything else is a bomus.

Check this link for the info on your board version - https://web.archive.org/web/20191114013933/ht … pgrade_faq.html

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bassix6 wrote on 2022-01-25, 09:27:

Damn, I just noticed my P2b is a rev 1.02. Is there any way I could get the P3 933 MHZ to work with it or did I just buy a wrong board and do I have to look for a replacement or a different cpu?

Not necessarily - board revision is only one factor affecting the choice of cpu...you need to check both the voltage regulator & clock generator chips to see exactly what your particular board is capable of.

My guess would be that it will probably work at least at 700MHz (7 x 100) - everything else is a bomus.

Check this link for the info on your board version - https://web.archive.org/web/20191114013933/ht … pgrade_faq.html

With a 1.02 rev board, assuming CuMine support is a bit optimistic. Yes, it's the VRM and clock gen chips that determine exactly what is possible, but according to your link it's only the 1.10 that has that ambiguity.

Most notable are the P2B rev. 1.10, the P2B-D/-DS rev. 1.06 pcba D01/D02 (and even some 1.05 boards) and the P2B-F (those with the not supported pcba numbers for coppermines) boards, some of these boards indeed have the newer voltage regulator chips and thus can run slot1 coppermines (and fcpga coppermines with slotkets without voltage adjustment jumpers) just fine.

Now, that doesn't mean you're completely stuck. The old VRM can go down to 1.8V, which is an over-volt for CuMine, but not generally a dangerous one. The problem is that the VRM will not supply any current at all if it receives an out-of-spec request. What you need to do is to get the CPU to request 1.8V, which should work. With an So370 FC-PGA slocket with voltage jumpers, this is easy, just jumper to 1.8V. With a slot 1 CPU it's a bit more difficult, read " Q: Is it somehow possible to run slot1 cpus in boards which can only provide down to 1.8V?" for instructions.

Oh boy, for someone just starting building a retro pc this is quite something to take in. I'll read it more thoroughly this evening. I also found a guy who sells an Asus P3B-F motherboard. Wouldn't that be an 'easier' solution?

bassix6 wrote on 2022-01-25, 11:13:

Oh boy, for someone just starting building a retro pc this is quite something to take in. I'll read it more thoroughly this evening. I also found a guy who sells an Asus P3B-F motherboard. Wouldn't that be an 'easier' solution?

Not necessarily, the earliest P3B-F boards also didn't support voltages below 1.8V. r 1.03 onward should be OK.

But maybe time for a step back: the reason for all this complexity is because you want to run a CPU that is out of spec both in terms of voltage and FSB on your motherboard, so you need to both overclock the board and overvolt the CPU. If you want to keep it simple when starting - an excellent idea, btw - don't try to run before you can crawl. Don't try to run stuff out-of-spec before you are confident working in-spec. That means you can better start off with whatever CPU is on that board already. Yes, a P3-933EB is much faster than a (probable) P2-350, but you don't notice the difference until you've had to work on 350MHz for a bit 😉

Similarly, if you want to run the P933EB without overclocking, overvolting etc, just go for a board that natively supports it. Any i815 or Via ApolloPro133A board would do the trick. There are reasons people would prefer a BX board (faster raw performance than ApolloPro133A, more RAM than i815 etc, availability of multiple ISA slots etc), but if you're just beginning, that's not stuff you need to worry about.

dionb wrote on 2022-01-24, 23:39:

Pierre32 wrote on 2022-01-24, 21:52:

Impressive spotting dionb. Especially the CPU!

Beginning to doubt that one as I've also found the original listing on a local ad site and it claims it to be a "P3". That said, that's definitely an SECC1 and I'm not aware of any P3 being released in SECC1.
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Funny that this came up because many people, including myself, would think the same.
But according to the Intel Pentium 3 specsheet they were issued with both SECC(1) as well as SECC2 cartridges.
see page 54:
https://happytrees.org/files/chips/datasheets … GHz-1.0BGHz.pdf

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I stumbled upon this Pentium 3 PC while looking for parts. I tried searching on Google for information about this specific build, but this didn't result in anything. Does anyone have an idea what kind of build this is? I also don't recognize any of the parts that are shown on the photo's...

Dionb's reply is mostly all you need 😜
Few things I could add. If the CPU is a 350MHz Deschutes, then the RAM may well be 128MB PC-100 modules (so basically double of the 'single sided' 64MB SDRAM modules).
When I got my P2 350MHz, it contained 128MB PC-100 in a single stick. I don't think 256MB sticks were at all common back then. Usual system RAM sizes in pc shop builds being offered at the time were 32MB, 64MB and 128MB.
If the sticks are really 32MB with 8 chips per side, these were almost always PC-66. Could very well be possible if the CPU is a 333MHz one (or slower).

Btw, this is one of those nice cases where you can slide out the entire motherboard tray. Definitely not very common these days as, even though this was basically standard back when ATX just went mainstream, but the era of these cases lasted very briefly.
Imo nice cases as long as you don't put a socketed motherboard in it. Usually very sturdy.

I also don't know about the graphics card, but the small green heatsink does point to something of the early AGP 1x/2x era.
Iirc SiS6326 usually did not have a heatsink. Perhaps I'll find the card later.

EDIT: The graphics card is weird. The caps are not really contemporary of the oldest AGP cards and neither is the blue VGA connector.

Tetrium wrote on 2022-01-26, 11:29:

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EDIT: The graphics card is weird. The caps are not really contemporary of the oldest AGP cards and neither is the blue VGA connector.

I think pancakepuppy got it right, looking at those caps and the blue connector - a Diamond Speedstar A50:

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I think pancakepuppy got it right, looking at those caps and the blue connector - a Diamond Speedstar A50: […]
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Tetrium wrote on 2022-01-26, 11:29:

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EDIT: The graphics card is weird. The caps are not really contemporary of the oldest AGP cards and neither is the blue VGA connector.

I think pancakepuppy got it right, looking at those caps and the blue connector - a Diamond Speedstar A50:

I had overread that. That's a good find! (I mean finding the card by looking at the pics, not necessarily finding this card itself 😜 ) The bios chip definitely threw me off here 🤣
And it's a SiS6326 with a heatsink, I really should have known better 🤣

The SL38E 450 MHz Katmai is SECC1