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First post, by Marvin

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I managed to get my hands on these rare 64MB 32 chip DIMMs a few years ago:
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These are rare because they can max out 430VX 64MB cacheable RAM limit with a single DIMM. On some threads their existence has even been questioned.

According to the manufacturer datasheets they are rated as 100MHz CL3 but as the bus speed on 430VX is 66MHz they are specced to run at CL2.

I looked around and never found any real numbers how these compare to SIMMs, so I ran a few benchmarks on my QDI P5I430VX-250DM. Processor was Intel Pentium MMX 233MHz.

By default the Award BIOS on this motherboard has no SDRAM CAS latency option, but that can be unhidden with modbin. So the manufacturer only half-implemented it, with timings 3/3 for DIMM by default. After unhiding the option one can select the usual 3/3, 3/2 or 2/2 SDRAM(CAS Lat/RAS-to-CAS) in BIOS. I tested the machine heavily on the fastest 2/2 setting and encountered no instabilities.

As a comparison I used 2x32MB 60ns EDO SIMMs. To make things interesting I tested both 60 and 70ns speeds in BIOS.

I used PhilsCompLab DOS benchmark kit, but only included benchmarks that showed real difference:
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The most interesting is of course the raw memory speed that SpeedSys shows. Here are the screens for that:
EDO 70ns:
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EDO 60ns:
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SDRAM 3/3:
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SDRAM 3/2:
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SDRAM 2/2:
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SpeedSys uses same strange logic for the upper left "Memory Bandwidth" calculation that I would ignore. It is especially strange it showing less for SDRAM 3/3 and 3/2 that are clearly faster than the EDO SIMMs. The real speed is on the graph at the bottom.

To conclude: going from 60ns EDO SIMM to SDRAM DIMM on 430VX is clearly measurable for the memory throughput, especially if the BIOS allows one to select 2/2 as SDRAM(CAS Lat/RAS-to-CAS). But for real DOS games it shows minimum gains.

Reply 1 of 6, by H3nrik V!

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Very interesting, thanks!

On another note, though - is it the 32chip configuration, that makes those DIMMs so rare? IIRC there's lots and lots of 64 MiB SDRAM albeit with fewer chips, but is it necessary with a lower density per chip to make the VX chipset recognize it?

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 3 of 6, by Joseph_Joestar

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Marvin wrote on 2022-10-11, 09:53:

I managed to get my hands on these rare 64MB 32 chip DIMMs a few years ago:

I think I may also have one of those.

Didn't realize they were rare, I just thought it looked unusual.

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Reply 4 of 6, by Sphere478

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With a k6-3, k6-2+, k6-3+, You may be able to install two of those if you have two slots (which this mobo does not) and get good performance from 128mb.

128mb is the max supported memory for that chipset.

But without those processors, you are right where you need to be already at 64mb.

But if you wanted, In your case, the only way to 128mb is probably 32mb x4 simms. As I don’t think a 64 chip dimm is going to appear.

Though some of those mobos were able to run dimms and simms consecutively.

Which would be really cool.

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Reply 5 of 6, by H3nrik V!

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-10-12, 04:49:
With a k6-3, k6-2+, k6-3+, You may be able to install two of those if you have two slots (which this mobo does not) and get good […]
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With a k6-3, k6-2+, k6-3+, You may be able to install two of those if you have two slots (which this mobo does not) and get good performance from 128mb.

128mb is the max supported memory for that chipset.

But without those processors, you are right where you need to be already at 64mb.

But if you wanted, In your case, the only way to 128mb is probably 32mb x4 simms. As I don’t think a 64 chip dimm is going to appear.

Though some of those mobos were able to run dimms and simms consecutively.

Which would be really cool.

A thing that BEGS to be tested 🤣

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 6 of 6, by rasz_pl

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Nice, May/November 1997 datecodes. $300? at the time.
May 1997 16MB lowend, 32MB standard, 64MB would be only available on the absolute top end.
CPU garbage bin (whole system $499) 120MHz Cyrix. lowend: ~133MHz Pentium/K5. Standard: 200MHz P2. Top: 200MHz PPro.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2022-10-11, 10:22:

I think I may also have one of those.

July 1998. ~$150. Ram 32MB lowend, 64MB standard/top.
CPU lowend: ~200-233MHz Pentium, 266MHz Celeron, 233MHz Cyrix, 233-300MHz AMD. Standard: 300MHz P2. Top: 400MHz P2.

One year saw same price point for both ram and CPU go x2 in size/speed. Also 3dfx went from Voodoo1 to Voodoo2 at same price. For contrast today Nvidia released their new cards, at ~2x the cost of the previous gen ...

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