GF4 will work for sure, Radeon 9000 and up often have issues.
Geforce 4 Ti4200 is sure choice.

Thanks for the reply.

I have a few reasons for preferring an MX440 over the Ti 4200. MX cards are often around $40, where most of the decent Ti 4200 cards I see are $80 USD and up. With the MX 440 cards being essentially GF2 cards with better memory controllers, I think that also makes the hardware more favorable from a compatibility standpoint to Win98 and DX7 games. Also, from a performance standpoint, it's going in a PIII 450 MHz system. Since the CPU is likely to be the limiting factor, I don't know how much benefit a Ti 4200 will have over an MX. The 380XGL card I'm looking at is only $30, and that guarantees I don't risk getting a 64-bit memory MX card.

with AGP its if it fits it sits, but I would avoid quadro for something as basic, cheap and plentiful as MX440

Jaron wrote on 2022-11-29, 23:21:

Since the CPU is likely to be the limiting factor, I don't know how much benefit a Ti 4200 will have over an MX.

Maybe slightly faster in higher resolutions like 1280x1024 and up, but the difference is likely negligible with a 450 MHz CPU.

In terms of features, the Ti4200 supports EMBM while the MX440 does not. If you play Win9x games which use that, you might want a card which supports it. But it's a very minor thing IMO.

GF4 Ti is pretty much the best card you can get for a Slot 1 PC but agree overkill for your PC.
The MX440 is a good choice which is closer related to the GF2 MX then a "real" GF4 anyway

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-11-30, 10:01:

with AGP its if it fits it sits

Well, we know it's supposed to be like that. But as I said, with the Radeon 9000 in the slot, the machine won't even POST. And I know the Radeon is good because it works just fine in my A7N8X-X board. Maybe I've got the P2B jumpers set in a way that conflicts with the Radeon. I'll take a look at the manual and double check.

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-11-30, 10:01:

but I would avoid quadro for something as basic, cheap and plentiful as MX440

The risk with buying a used MX440 is it's not always certain whether you're getting a 64- or 128-bit memory bus card. The 380 was only ever made in 128-bit, and with normal drivers, it'll perform the same as a normal MX. Not only that, but the one I see available is the same price as an MX, so it seems like a no-brainer to me.

Hmm, bump mapping would be nice, but not twice the price nice. And the only game I have on that list is Descent 3.

chinny22 wrote on 2022-11-30, 11:17:

GF4 Ti is pretty much the best card you can get for a Slot 1 PC but agree overkill for your PC.

I've already got an overkill WinXP machine ( i7-2600K + GTX 750 Ti ), so I already use that for anything that can run well on XP. This one is basically for DX7 and down.

Thanks, all, just wanted some confirmation it would work and it looks like I'm good to go.

Jaron wrote on 2022-11-30, 19:42:

The risk with buying a used MX440 is it's not always certain whether you're getting a 64- or 128-bit memory bus card.

Rule of thumb, if the MX440 has 4 memory chips in total (e.g. 2 on each side) and is passively cooled, chances are high that it's 64-bit. Similarly, if it has active cooling (fan+heatsink) and more than 4 memory chips in total, then it's likely the 128-bit version. There are exceptions to this of course, but it can serve as a guideline when shopping solely based on pictures posted by the seller.

BTW, although harder to find, MX460 cards are always 128-bit and perform slightly better as well.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2022-12-01, 19:12:

Jaron wrote on 2022-11-30, 19:42:

The risk with buying a used MX440 is it's not always certain whether you're getting a 64- or 128-bit memory bus card.

Rule of thumb, if the MX440 has 4 memory chips in total (e.g. 2 on each side) and is passively cooled, chances are high that it's 64-bit. Similarly, if it has active cooling (fan+heatsink) and more than 4 memory chips in total, then it's likely the 128-bit version. There are exceptions to this of course, but it can serve as a guideline when shopping solely based on pictures posted by the seller.

BTW, although harder to find, MX460 cards are always 128-bit and perform slightly better as well.

Another option is finding a 128bit 128mb MX4000 which is essentially a MX440 with 8x and MX460 clocks using a non gimped NV18c core, I have one and I find it to be a really nice alternative to the MX440 that can overclock really well with active cooling. (It also tends to be cheaper than the better known MX440 and MX460)

My understanding is the MX 4000 is just an overclocked 440SE, which itself was an overclocked 440 with the gimped memory bus.

I mean, I know some card manufacturers ignored Nvidia's and ATI's specs and didn't gimp some cards that were supposed to be, but I don't know that I want to sort through eBay looking for those specific variants when 95% of them are just pulled from old Dells.

Jaron wrote on 2022-12-01, 21:09:

My understanding is the MX 4000 is just an overclocked 440SE, which itself was an overclocked 440 with the gimped memory bus.

I mean, I know some card manufacturers ignored Nvidia's and ATI's specs and didn't gimp some cards that were supposed to be, but I don't know that I want to sort through eBay looking for those specific variants when 95% of them are just pulled from old Dells.

Yeah the 64bit versions are indeed the shitty MX440SE rebadged . .you can throw that trash in the bin, you can find the 128bit models on the bay easy enough and they are substantially better in both memory bus and clocks, finding a MX460 would be much harder and more expensive, even the normal MX440 can be more expensive. (The MX4000 got a bad name from them 64bit trash models so tends to sell cheaper)

Just wanted to put it out there that the 128bit models are a really good cheap alternative.

just looked at local auction house
one MX460 $16
64bit MX440 tons at $2-4 😀
first 128bit one https://www.prolink-usa.com/english/product/v … -mx440-64a.html $5 with shipping buy it now
same dude sells Leadtek WinFast A180BT (mx4000) for $4 with shipping and few $10 Athlons socket A
Sparkle SP7300M4T 128MB $7
another sparkle SP7100M4 64MB $15
XELO GeForce4 MX440SE 64MB 128bit $15
tons of pixelview/prolink ones < $15

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-12-02, 06:08:

just looked at local auction house one MX460 $16 64bit MX440 tons at $2-4 :) first 128bit one https://www.prolink-usa.com/englis […]
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just looked at local auction house
one MX460 $16
64bit MX440 tons at $2-4 😀
first 128bit one https://www.prolink-usa.com/english/product/v … -mx440-64a.html $5 with shipping buy it now
same dude sells Leadtek WinFast A180BT (mx4000) for $4 with shipping and few $10 Athlons socket A
Sparkle SP7300M4T 128MB $7
another sparkle SP7100M4 64MB $15
XELO GeForce4 MX440SE 64MB 128bit $15
tons of pixelview/prolink ones < $15

Sounds like you have access to a lot of cheap cards(64bit is E-Waste), local to me is ..uhh Evilbay and Aliexpress so they are the only prices I have and can reference.

Dont even have a E-Waste handler here, closest one is 5 hours away by car. (I really wish I did .. I would be there at least a few times a week)