VOGONS


First post, by scripta

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Hello,
I found in my basement some retro hardware.
I cleaned all the parts and tested them.
It's a long list:

Motherboards:

Asus SP97-V (SiS 5598) + Pentium MMX 166 (4 PCI + 3 ISA)
Asus TX97-XE (Intel 430TX) + Pentium MMX 200 (4 PCI + 4 ISA)
Asus P2B-F (Intel 440BX) + Pentium II 300 Klamath (AGP + 5 PCI + 2 ISA)
MSI MS-6119 (Intel 440BX) + Pentium II 450 Deschutes (AGP + 4 PCI + 3 ISA)
Chaintech 6VIA5T (VIA VT82C694T + VT82C686B) + Celeron 1.2GHz Tualatin (AGP + 3 PCI + 1 ISA)
BCM BC845DL (Intel 845B) + Pentium 4 2.5GHz (AGP + 5 PCI + 2 ISA)
Asus P4PE2-X (Intel 845PE) + Pentium 4 2.8GHz (AGP + 4 PCI)

Graphic cards PCI:

S3 Trio64V+
S3 Trio Virge
3DFX Voodoo 3 2000
Radeon 7000 64M

Graphic cards AGP:

ATI Rage IIc
ATI Rage 128 Pro Ultra 32MB
Matrox 906-04 (dual head)
Geforce MX400 64MB
ATI Radeon 9200SE 128MB
Geforce FX5200 128MB
Geforce MX4000 128MB

Sound cards:

Creative Labs CT5803 Soundblaster PCI
Creative Labs CT2770 SB16 Value ISA

Which of them to keep?
I'd like to have one PC dedicated to DOS and another one to Win98.
Please, I need advice for the best combinations and (in case) suggestions for additional part to buy.

Reply 1 of 6, by drosse1meyer

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"found in my basement" 🤣 lucky man (or woman)

P1: Packard Bell - 233 MMX, Voodoo1, 64 MB, ALS100+
P2-V2: Dell Dimension - 400 Mhz, Voodoo2, 256 MB
P!!! Custom: 1 Ghz, GeForce2 Pro/64MB, 384 MB

Reply 2 of 6, by ciornyi

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If i were you id kept
Asus P2B-F (Intel 440BX) + Pentium II 300 Klamath (AGP + 5 PCI + 2 ISA) with cpu swap to 450mhz
Chaintech 6VIA5T (VIA VT82C694T + VT82C686B) + Celeron 1.2GHz Tualatin (AGP + 3 PCI + 1 ISA)
3DFX Voodoo 3 2000
ATI Rage 128 Pro Ultra 32MB
Geforce MX400 64MB
Creative Labs CT5803 Soundblaster PCI
Creative Labs CT2770 SB16 Value ISA

As for DOS Asus SP97-V (SiS 5598) + Pentium MMX 166 (4 PCI + 3 ISA)+S3 Trio Virge or 3DFX Voodoo 3 2000 is good combo

For win9x Chaintech 6VIA5T (VIA VT82C694T + VT82C686B) + Celeron 1.2GHz Tualatin (AGP + 3 PCI + 1 ISA)+ATI Rage 128 Pro Ultra 32MB or 3DFX Voodoo 3 2000 and plus sound blaster of course

DOS: 166mmx/16mb/Y719/S3virge
DOS/95: PII333/128mb/AWE64/TNT2M64
Win98: P3 900/256mb/SB live/3dfx V3
Win Me: Athlon 1333/256mb/Audigy2/Geforce 2 GTS
Win XP: E8500/4096mb/SB X-fi/Quadro fx 4500

Reply 3 of 6, by scripta

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drosse1meyer wrote on 2022-12-10, 18:13:

"found in my basement" 🤣 lucky man (or woman)

Lucky man. 😁

The basement was once used by a technician servicing CNC machines.
There were many other parts left.

Reply 4 of 6, by dionb

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"DOS" is a big period. Are we talking Quake and OMF2097 or are we talking Alley Cat, Ultima VI and DOTT?

Assuming very early DOS: none of this stuff sounds ideal. Sell lots and get a 386 or 486 with turbo function.

Assuming late DOS: DOS likes ISA, and unless you find very low FPS to be 'period correct' you'd do better to err on the side of more performance. I'd choose the MSI MS-6119 with late P2. Add VGA that has good VESA support (S3 Virge, Voodoo3 or Gf2MX400), stick to max 64MB RAM (32MB would have less compatibility issues 16MB would be even better if you can find a 16MB PC100 DIMM) and find some ISA sound cards - the CT2770 will more-or-less do for starters, but is basically crap (every MIDI bug under the sun, single-cycle DMA click and potentially noisy too). With 3 ISA slots you can get a good SB2Pro clone with bug-free MIDI, a decent SB16 (maybe with AWE32/64) and a third slot for weird stuff (Gravis Ultrasound if you can afford it)

For Win98SE: go with the fastest system that still has driver support (basically: that has AGP). Here I'd take the Asus P4PE with P4-2800, go look for a GeForce3 or 4 (non-MX) but until then probably use the Gf4MX4000 (basically an OC'd Gf2MX), and/or the Voodoo3 if you want GLide, use the onboard audio (because a crappy SB PCI doesn't add anything to that) and potentially look for an SBLive and/or an Aureal Vortex 2-based card.

Most interesting bit of hardware you have is the BCM BC845DL, as P4-era systems with ISA are rare and sought-after for people who really really don't want two systems, but want fast Win98SE as well as DOS. Check the PCI-ISA bridge, if it supports DOS DMA, it's very good, if not, it's basically useless.

Reply 5 of 6, by scripta

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Thanks everyone.
I'll go testing the BCM BC845DL, it features the ITE IT8808F PCI-to ISA bridge.