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First post, by ux-3

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I am playing around with a V5 5500 but I don't get it to really work. I have managed to get the last reference drivers to run in Win98se, but as soon as I try a benchmark, the card crashes.

I managed to run 3dmark99 once, but the card only recognized 1 chip then. If I am lucky, I see the track, but then 3dmark99 freezes. Most of the time, it will not even start up the benchmark menu.

Any ideas?

Reply 1 of 16, by exxe

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try an newer driver
http://falconfly.de/vsa100.htm

any visibly damage?
what Mainboard did you use?

Reply 2 of 16, by ux-3

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I am using an OEM ASUS CUV4x-cme (Via Apollo pro, 1000MHz P3)

The board is able to run a voodoo 3 3000 AGP flawlessly at 200 MHz. It is from the right time frame. Fresh win98se install. Tried with and without via drivers. Desktop is fine. Tried various PSUs, last one 350W, 180W max on 3.3 and 5 volts) powers my Athlon XP and GF6800 otherwise. That should be enough.

Reply 3 of 16, by exxe

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dose it run if you select single chip only in 3dfx tools?

Reply 4 of 16, by ux-3

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exxe wrote:

dose it run if you select single chip only in 3dfx tools?

I tried to find that option. Where is it hidden?

Reply 5 of 16, by ux-3

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The only time it ever ran, it ran on a single chip. I didn't set that though - dunno why it only used 1 chip and 32 MB ram. Legacy blocked DMA maybe?

Reply 6 of 16, by exxe

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in the AA tab
menunub9.jpg
picture from sports-gaming.com

i heard of cards how only run on one chip after the died

most tools say its a 32MB Card
3dfx tools should say total 64MB in the Info tab and the card itself on boot-up

Voodoo5 5500 BIOS - Version 1.06 
Copyright (C) 1990-2000 Elpin Systems, Inc.
All rights reserved.
3dfx Interactive, Inc.
Total video memory: 65536
Last edited by exxe on 2010-02-02, 20:20. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 7 of 16, by ux-3

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Thanks. You are using the Win2k version, right? Maybe I missed it? Is it in all official tools versions?

The card has a resoldered capacitor, the big one next to the power connector...

Edit: Bingo! I found the option (cleverly hidden!) and yes, it runs with just one chip.

So what exactly does this mean:

- One chip is defective

- Still not enough juice

Last edited by ux-3 on 2010-02-02, 20:21. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 8 of 16, by exxe

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the antialiasing tab is in every 3dfx Tolls how are for VSA-100 cards
this screenshot is not from me but its to 100% also on 98(se) 3dfx Tools

is it the right size?
my have a 470µF 16Volts
Photo of my card: http://tdfx.de/pic/voodoo5_agp_01b.JPG (very big, over 2MB)

Reply 9 of 16, by ux-3

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See my edit above your post! Works on one leg.
I checked photos already, this is the original cap. Perhaps someone broke it off, it is quite protruding.
With only one chip, the thing is rivaled by my V3@200. Not much faster. Only much louder.

Retro PC warning: The things you own end up owning you.

Reply 10 of 16, by exxe

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i have heard of Voodoo5 cards with one defective Chip how works perfect in single chip mode.
if you cant see any damage on the board (change the 01b to 02b for rear side) on of the VSA-100 Chips is gone

Voodoo5 5500 @ Voodoo4 4500 😵

Reply 11 of 16, by ux-3

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Well, as I said, very rarely did a benchmark start in normal (2 chip) mode - to die quickly. I have seen V3s crash through power starvation in AGP before, so I wonder if this might be a problem with power suppy etc. The resoldered CAP is also a suspect.
Could it be the AGP Socket? My other BX board would not run a V3 for long or this V5 in windows. Only when by some quirk, it came about as V4, it would boot and bench. Once I remembered that I had a legacy device without proper resevations and fixed it, windows would no longer boot.

Retro PC warning: The things you own end up owning you.

Reply 13 of 16, by ux-3

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exxe wrote:

hmm then try an other Mainboard

I ran out of mainboards by now. I only have two with AGP 2x, a third one is on the way.

exxe wrote:

you can also try an newer BIOS
the V5 5500 AGP came with 1.06, the newest is 1.18

I wouldn't wanna try that, really. The hardware I tried is really from the time period. It should run on it. The BX board is obviously not a Voodoo lover, since it rejects my V3 3000 AGP (3000 PCI and AGP 2000 are fine). It only reaches WIN with the V5 if one chips is masked by resource conflict. The other board fares better, windows on 2 chip, benches fine on one, sometimes starts bench on two. I just don't know how much power this thing sucks out of the AGP still.

But perhaps the soldering job has knocked out a GPU.

Reply 14 of 16, by exxe

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ux-3 wrote:

But perhaps the soldering job has knocked out a GPU.

put the card in the backing oven
30 minutes at 100-120°C
without the fans

no 3,3vAGP Mainboard?
on socketA you can go up to VIA KT333 chipset

Reply 15 of 16, by exxe

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no really
as last try backing a card is not a bad idea
its resolder every spot, also the BGA connections uf the GPUs

Reply 16 of 16, by ux-3

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My KT133a board arrived in working condition and it turns out I was right! 😀
I have since installed the Voodoo 5500 in said board and were able to run 3dm99 and 3dm00 in all FSAA modes. Either I hit the right bios settings or it is a problem of power supply via agp.

I will back up the HD and retry the other mobo with this install and PSU. If it fails again there, it is very likely an AGP/bios problem.