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Trouble in Paradise!

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First post, by F2bnp

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My Retro System consists of the following:

Gigabyte BX-2000
Pentium III Slot 1 1GHz
512 MB RAM
GeForce2 Ti 32MB
Voodoo 2 12MB SLI
Typical Network Card
SoundBlaster Awe 64 Gold
Western Digital 20GB
400Watt PSU
Windows 98SE with the unofficial 2.1 Service Pack

Now the problem is that restarting in MS-DOS Mode is quite unstable. I used to have Nvidia 48.25 drivers installed but it would mostly freeze in MS-DOS mode, it just stayed there with the pointer blinking. So I said it's time for a cleanup. I erased my autoexec and config.sys files and my drivers for both Nvidia and 3Dfx. I reinstalled everything but this time with older drivers, 28.xx I think. So it just restarted perfectly! Then I went on to rewrite my autoexec and config files. I can't remember the exact values and variables but it must be something like this:

autoexec.bat

echo off
LH C:\Mouse\Mouse.com
random stuff about display, never tweaked these

mscdex stuff

and for Config.sys

device=C:\windows\himem.sys
device=C:\windows\emm386.exe RAM
DOS=High,UMB
Files=30
Stacks=64,something
some other cd-rom drivers stuff
and some other display stuff

I might be missing a thing or two but anyway the problem is that when I insert the new variables and settings the pc just freezes in DOS-Mode , leading me to a black screen. It does nothing, it just stays there.
I said, what the hell, let's do it again. And I did! I reinstalled the drivers and got the same results. I'm guessing it has to do with these settings but I'm not quite sure what it is.
Anyone here care to assist me please? I'll upload the full settings tomorrow probably.

Reply 1 of 11, by swaaye

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NVIDIA drivers don't do anything to DOS.... The drivers will only affect the GUI environment. Are you running DOS games within Windows (a DOS box) or are you rebooting into DOS? You should really just setup up a DOS boot menu and skip Windows altogether for DOS games IMO.

You could have a hardware conflict or instability of some sort. I'd simplify the config.sys and autoexec.bat to the basics and add things from there to see if you can narrow down what the problem is (if it's software-related).

autoexec.bat
@echo off
mscdex
C:\Mouse\Mouse.com

config.sys
device=C:\windows\himem.sys
DOS=High
cd-rom drivers

You don't have any sound TSRs? No PNP junk?

Reply 2 of 11, by keropi

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I had the same freeze on some of my win98SE pc's... quitting from win98SE to DOS usually just freeze the computer like in your case F2bnp. I found that removing the cd-rom drivers from autoexec/config solved that issue 101%. Remember that windows does not need any cdrom drivers at all. Just make a DOS startup menu with various configs and you are all set 😁

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Reply 3 of 11, by F2bnp

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My soundcard is not Plug and play , I have to run CTCM.exe in order to get AWE32 midi to work, it does work fine in SoundBlaster 16 Mode though. Keropi, I don't quite get what you mean. I need CD-ROM drivers for DOS Mode in Windows 98SE, otherwise I don't have any CD-ROM support. I don't use DOS a lot in this PC, but I really want it to work properly so that I can play some games that won't work in Windows 98 GUI and need you to restart in DOS-Mode.

Reply 4 of 11, by F2bnp

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Here's my full Autoexec and Config settings:

for autoexec.bat

@echo off
LH C:\Mouse\Mouse.com
LH MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD0HP /M:12
mode con codepage prepare=((737) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ega2.cpi)
mode con codepage select=737

and for config.sys

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE RAM
DOS=HIGH,UMB
FILES=30
BUFFERS=20
STACKS=64,512
DEVICEHIGH=C:\DEV\FDATACD.SYS /D:MSCD0HP
device=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
Country=030,737,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys

Reply 5 of 11, by robertmo

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F2bnp wrote:

I really want it to work properly so that I can play some games that won't work in Windows 98 GUI and need you to restart in DOS-Mode.

tried DOSBox?

Reply 6 of 11, by F2bnp

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No offense, I love DOSBox but I just want to play some things on the original hardware.

Ok I got it working now, but I only get 557KB of conventional ram.
MSCDEX eats up 40K and mouse eats 17K despite the fact that I use LoadHigh.
Am I missing something? Is there any other alternative to mscdex that eats less conventional ram?

Reply 7 of 11, by Malik

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Use SHSUCDX instead of MSCDEX.

Use qcdrom.sys or vide-cdd.sys instead of your cdrom driver.

Use ctmouse.exe (CuteMouse driver) instead of mouse.com.

Use UMBPCI.exe instead of EMM386.exe. (If expanded memory is not needed.)

And remark-out the STACKS= statement. (rem STACKS=64,512)

You can find the required drivers and programs here : http://www.hiren.info/downloads/dos-files

and here : http://www.opus.co.tt/dave/utils.htm

Last edited by Malik on 2010-05-06, 15:53. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 8 of 11, by F2bnp

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Bloody hell. It refuses to load once again. I changed them significantly using your recommendations, here check it out:

SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 E620 T6
@echo off
LH C:\Mouse\ctmouse.exe
LH C:\AWE64\Ctcm.exe
LH C:\shcdx33e.EXE /D:qcdrom.sys,/D:12
mode con codepage prepare=((737) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ega2.cpi)
mode con codepage select=737

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE RAM
DOS=HIGH,UMB
FILES=30
BUFFERS=20
REM STACKS=64,512
DEVICEHIGH=C:\qcdrom.sys
device=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
Country=030,737,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys

I get the black screen. Any ideas?

Reply 10 of 11, by F2bnp

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Ok I might try that out thanks.

Reply 11 of 11, by Malik

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Try copying the current configurations (autoexec.bat & config.sys) to a formatted dos-bootable floppy disk and try booting from it. See if it works...

Also, try remarking out emm386.

If you can see the booting process, try F8 for step by step boot procedure checking.

And finally remove the network card and the voodoo cards for the time being.

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