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First post, by Pingaloka

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HI guys, trying to tweak my 233MMX to get as slow as possible without comprimising speed.

The Motherboard:

SOYO, SY-5EAS5
Supports MMX, goes up to 200-233. 512kb cache and PS2 mouse port.
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- Set to 66mhz 3.5x = 233MMX
- 32Mb Ram FPM
- S3 Trio64v+ 4mb
- SB16 2230 + NEX XR385 + MT-32 Roland (old)

At 233mmx without L1 and L2 Cache I got a result of 13.67 in Speedsys...the equivalent of a slow 486 I would say....
Would it be possible to slow down even further this machine? The problem with MMX is that they are not very good for slow down purposes due to their CPU onboard cache as we already know...so the slowest setup to try to achieve bigger slowdown would be 50mhz x 2.0 which gives us a Pentium 100MMX. I'm using a 233MMX so the 1.5x jumper setting works as a 3.5x, the slowest I can go therefore is 2.0x...what a pitty.

Ok, so what I wanted is to have a 233MMX one minute and a 100MMX the next one without to much of hustle. Why? because the 100MMX setup without L1 and L2 cache gives us a 9.17 score in Speedsys which is more or less like a 386/40mhz

(An AT BOX is needed because of the turbo button)
I got the turbo button cable and cut it. Splited the cable in two with the help of this little black plastic thingy which I don't know the name of.
AS you can see, the turbo cable goes into the the black plastic thingy and on the other side I joined 2 jumper cables in total. The original turbo one and a new one:

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I plugged one cable where the multiplier jumpers are (in multiplier 2.0x) and the other cable in the
50mhz jumper position, where the frecuencies are at.

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So know, I just need to press the turbo button to go from a 386/40Mhz, 9.17 score in Speedsys up to a Pentium 233MMX with a 176.70 score in speedsys. Pretty handy right? 😎
I wanted to share this because it is quite easy to do, and it makes as closer to the all-in-one-impossible Dos Machine.
I know, I know....Amd K6-2's are better for these purposes!

Here some pictures:

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(Speedsys shows setup of 66Mhz 1.5x but it is actually set at 50Mhz 2.0x on motherboard...weird...)

Reply 1 of 15, by Mau1wurf1977

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Very cool 😀

However for games I recommend using 3dbench 1.0 and not speedsys.

The other option you have is going for "slower" chips like the standard Pentium 200 and all of the K6-2 versions.

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Reply 2 of 15, by Pingaloka

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Yeah, I may try a Pentium 200 in a future, if I find one, nevertheless 9.17 is a pretty good slow down, many games will work on that setup....

Reply 3 of 15, by elianda

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I don't think the slowed system performs anywhere near a 386DX-40. You can not stick to a single benchmark score. Especially as Mau1wurf1977 already noted Speedsys is not suitable. It mixes CPU and FPU scores to one score and a 386DX-40 with FPU scores about 6.9. Still the performance ratio between CPU and FPU is very different on a P55C compared to a 386/387.
And you also have the local bus to all extension cards that can give in some games twice the performance since graphics accesses are much faster.

I strongly recommend to use some real world scenario like Doom Demo 1.9s to compare performance in games to some oldschool system.
run doom -timedemo demo3 and get the realticks value that is shown afterwards.

My raw guess is that your slowed machine performs more like a 486DX-33.

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Reply 4 of 15, by feipoa

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The black thingy is called a screw terminal.

I particularly like your attention to detail to set the LED display to HI for 233 MHz and 100 for 100 MHz. And as usual, the matching white case to white monitor is most attractive.

I'm also very interested to see what you get in doom, 3dbench, and pcpbench vs. that of a real 386.

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Reply 5 of 15, by Mau1wurf1977

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On my MMX with all caches disabled and running at 166 MHz I get:

3dbench 1.0: 15.3
Quake timdemo demo1 (all default but no soundcard): 2.1
PCPBENCH/VGAMODE: 3.7

I didn't run Doom when I did these figures, might do this one day though 😀

Wing Commander is certainly a little bit too fast.

Having a fast AGP card vs an ISA ET4000 for example also makes a difference.

RAM also matters. That board has SDRAM but also the older type. SDRAM is a lot faster. On my machine I have one SDRAM that's only 16MB and shows up as EDO in the POST screen. It reduces performance by around 20-30%.

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Reply 6 of 15, by Pingaloka

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I've got some results:

a) Doom -timedemo: timed 2134 gametics in 22211 realtics

b) PCPBENCH/VGAMODE 640x480: 1.2

c) 3dbench 1.0: 8.8

No idea how to interpret them...

Reply 7 of 15, by Stiletto

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Pingaloka wrote:
I've got some results: […]
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I've got some results:

a) Doom -timedemo: timed 2134 gametics in 22211 realtics

b) PCPBENCH/VGAMODE 640x480: 1.2

c) 3dbench 1.0: 8.8

No idea how to interpret them...

Try trixter's TOPBENCH. 😁

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Reply 8 of 15, by Pingaloka

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Cool program Stiletto! First time I see it!
Got some results, don't know how accurate they are, but if so, I'm pretty amazed by the slowdown achieved.
But I'm not quite sure if results are really accurate Stiletto...tried benchmark with Computer L1 + L2 cache on, same setup, and it showed a Pentium II

50mhz 2.0x L1 and L2 Disabled setup = Pentium 100MMX

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Reply 9 of 15, by Pingaloka

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Any thoughts on the results guys?

Reply 10 of 15, by Mau1wurf1977

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Pingaloka wrote:

Any thoughts on the results guys?

8.8 for 3dbench matches an average 386DX I would say. Wing Commander should certainly run really well on your machine 😀

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Reply 11 of 15, by sliderider

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If you're looking for slow, a IDT Winchip is overall slower clock for clock than a Pentium MMX right out of the box without playing with the fsb or multiplier.

Reply 12 of 15, by Pingaloka

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sliderider wrote:

If you're looking for slow, a IDT Winchip is overall slower clock for clock than a Pentium MMX right out of the box without playing with the fsb or multiplier.

Thanx good to know....for now I'm going to stick with this setup. Going as down as a 386 33mhz is good enough for me. Now I'm actually going to try play a game, 😀

Reply 13 of 15, by Pingaloka

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sliderider wrote:

If you're looking for slow, a IDT Winchip is overall slower clock for clock than a Pentium MMX right out of the box without playing with the fsb or multiplier.

Thanx good to know....for now I'm going to stick with this setup. Going as down as a 386 33mhz is good enough for me. Now I'm actually going to try play a game hehe this is just the perfect setup for my needs 😀

Reply 14 of 15, by hwh

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That's a beautiful case.

Reply 15 of 15, by Pingaloka

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Thanx hwh, yes it really is a nice case!