Reply 20 of 90, by NJRoadfan
I have one on my Matrox Marvel G400-TV, the only downside is that it blocks the neighboring PCI slot. It also has a limit of 1280x1024 output.
I have one on my Matrox Marvel G400-TV, the only downside is that it blocks the neighboring PCI slot. It also has a limit of 1280x1024 output.
Fate smiled upon me today. I found an AOpen Pentium II system. It has a LX board in it, so i will put the SE440BX2 board in it but it is a perfect case for this project!!! It's beige, standard ATX, heavy duty steel, quality construction and looks great!
Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE
These are not my pics but this is what it looks like.
Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE
This is actually a mighty fine case for a retro system. Not the best case for air flow, but its got a place for a front intake. Populate it and make sure the PSU is acting as an exaust and you've gotta a case good enough even for a mid-end modern system. What I really liked about it was the placement of the AT connectors holes, the real speaker and support for full-length ISA cards. This would make it suitable even for older 386/486 systems (sans turbo button, and adapting the power button+ATX PSU). This case is very versatile.
I have one of those early ATX "Custom PC" Aopen cases. Love it, using it in a early pentium build.
Main pc: Asus ROG 17. R9 5900HX, RTX 3070m, 16gb ddr4 3200, 1tb NVME.
Retro PC: Soyo P4S Dragon, 3gb ddr 266, 120gb Maxtor, Geforce Fx 5950 Ultra, SB Live! 5.1
Yeah I really like it, I don't think I could have done any better.
Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE
Found a Crucial (My absolute favorite brand of RAM) 128MB, PC-133, ECC, CL2, SDRAM DIMM. I thought it would be fitting for such a motherboard as the SE440BX-2. Let's face it, I can't be expected to play games 24-hours a day for years and have a cosmic ray possibly causing a bit flip in my RAM 😉 Now I might have to go SCSI too, probably not.
Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE
Might be overkill for this setup, but nVidia GeForce4 MX440-8X/MX460 is my choice. It's based on pre-GeForce 3 technology, the ultimate DX7 card.
GeForce 3 and later have slight compatibility issues in games like X-Wing Alliance, Final Fantasy VII/VIII, Falcon 4.0, No One Lives Forever, NFS: High Stakes/Porsche Unleashed, Darkstone.
Very interesting firage. What about drivers? Would I need to swap out different drivers for DirectX 5,6,7 games? The main reason I am going with the Matrox G400 is to avoid having to use different drivers that fix various issues in different games.
Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE
Hmm, no, I guess you can never quite get away with a single driver set for everything.
If I decide I need more graphics performance I will definitely look at this. Here is the difference in Quake3, pretty amazing.
Not 100% apples-to-apples comparison but pretty close.
GeForce MX440
Quake 3 Arena v1.17
Unknown CPU
1024x768x32
146 frames-per-second
Matrox G400
Quake 3 Test v1.08
Pentium III 600
1024x768x32
32 frames-per-second
Matrox G400 MAX
Quake 3 Test v1.08
Pentium III 600
1024x768x32
38 frames-per-second
Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE
Here is my list so far. I cannot seem to find the differences in DirectX 7.0 and 7.0a, any help on this? Everything looks to be coming together on paper pretty well, parts should start arriving soon.
I think this would have been a very nice system to have had in 1999.
Motherboard: Intel SE440BX-2
Released in late 1998, I believe by looking at manual
Hardware Revision:
754552-200 or later
754558-200 or later
A01450-200 or later
To support Coppermine CPU
BIOS:
P14 or greater (P17 latest revision)
To Support Coppermine CPU
Intel Chipset INF:
3.20.1008 (latest version to support 440BX chipset)
USB Drivers:
Universal USB Mass Storage Driver
CPU: Intel Pentium III 550E/256/100/1.65V Slot 1 (SL3XH)
Released October, 1999
RAM: Crucial 128MB, PC-133, CL2, ECC, SDRAM DIMM (Single Sided)
Video Card: Matrox Millennium G400 16MB SGRAM (AGP)
Released September 1999
Driver: 6.83.017
Sound Card: Turtle Beach Montego II (Dell OEM), Aureal Vortex 2 (PCI)
Released 1999, I believe by looking at the manual
Driver: Aureal AU8830 4.06.2041
Network: 3Com 3C905C-TX-M (PCI)
Released 1999, best guess
Case: AOpen CustomPC ATX Mid-Tower, beige
This particular case design is from 1998, I believe as it originally came with a Pentium II 333
The same steel case would have come with differing platic bezels according to year.
PSU: SeaSonic SS-300ES Bronze 300W
New manufacture
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003, 1TB (SATA)
Limited to 68,719,476,736 Bytes (64GB) with SeaTools
SATA to IDE adapter, the one Phil likes (JP103-5)
New manufacture
Optical Drive: DVD-ROM, beige (IDE)
Floppy Drive: 3.5", 1.44MB, beige
OS: Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition with no patches or updates
DirectX: 7.0 or 7.0a? Differences? Cannot search 7.0a on Vogons, only sees it as 7 0a
Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE
Very nice!
Liking your storage solution 😀
Also liking your CL2 SDRAM. II found that pretty much all decent CL3 PC133 sticks, support CL2 at 100 MHz. But I haven't seen many CL2 PC133 sticks, although the ones I use, run happily at CL2 (basically overclocking). Wouldn't mind having proper CL2 SDRAM though.
So Crucial is a brand to look out for?
I have used Crucial since the 90's and never looked back. It's Microns retail RAM. One of a few, if not only, that makes the RAM chips, PCB's and assembles them. They have great support as well.
Edit: Back when the big OEM's used all quality parts you would find Micron RAM inside.
Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE
look for these on the label
Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE
wrote:DirectX: 7.0 or 7.0a? Differences?
ftp://ftp.physik.hu-berlin.de/pub/useful/dx7a … XF/dxreadme.txt - differences.
Asus P4P800 SE/Pentium4 3.2E/2 Gb DDR400B,
Radeon HD3850 Agp (Sapphire), Catalyst 14.4 (XpProSp3).
Voodoo2 12 MB SLI, Win2k drivers 1.02.00 (XpProSp3).
Thanks Gamecollector!
Speaking of DirectInput... I am thinking about a PS/2 optical mouse and an PS/2 IBM M, or clone, keyboard.
Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE
wrote:I have used Crucial since the 90's and never looked back. It's Microns retail RAM. One of a few, if not only, that makes the RAM chips, PCB's and assembles them. They have great support as well.
Edit: Back when the big OEM's used all quality parts you would find Micron RAM inside.
Cool, thanks for the tip. Found quite a few CL2 SDRAM modules. Good to know.
wrote:Thanks Gamecollector!
Speaking of DirectInput... I am thinking about a PS/2 optical mouse and an PS/2 IBM M, or clone, keyboard.
I found USB mice much better for gaming. I've heard that you can boost the PS/2 polling rate, but I found a Logitech MX518 or similar gaming mouse perfect for a Windows 98 Box. Much smoother than PS/2 mice.
Keyboard you can also go USB, just make sure USB and USB keyboard is enabled in BIOS 😀
wrote:Here is my list so far. I cannot seem to find the differences in DirectX 7.0 and 7.0a, any help on this? Everything looks to b […]
Here is my list so far. I cannot seem to find the differences in DirectX 7.0 and 7.0a, any help on this? Everything looks to be coming together on paper pretty well, parts should start arriving soon.
I think this would have been a very nice system to have had in 1999.
Motherboard: Intel SE440BX-2
Released in late 1998, I believe by looking at manual
Hardware Revision:
754552-200 or later
754558-200 or later
A01450-200 or laterTo support Coppermine CPU
BIOS:
P14 or greater (P17 latest revision)
To Support Coppermine CPU
Intel Chipset INF:
3.20.1008 (latest version to support 440BX chipset)
USB Drivers:
Universal USB Mass Storage Driver
CPU: Intel Pentium III 550E/256/100/1.65V Slot 1 (SL3XH)
Released October, 1999
RAM: Crucial 128MB, PC-133, CL2, ECC, SDRAM DIMM (Single Sided)
Video Card: Matrox Millennium G400 16MB SGRAM (AGP)
Released September 1999
Driver: 6.83.017
Sound Card: Turtle Beach Montego II (Dell OEM), Aureal Vortex 2 (PCI)
Released 1999, I believe by looking at the manual
Driver: Aureal AU8830 4.06.2041
Network: 3Com 3C905C-TX-M (PCI)
Released 1999, best guess
Case: AOpen CustomPC ATX Mid-Tower, beige
This particular case design is from 1998, I believe as it originally came with a Pentium II 333
The same steel case would have come with differing platic bezels according to year.PSU: SeaSonic SS-300ES Bronze 300W
New manufacture
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003, 1TB (SATA)
Limited to 68,719,476,736 Bytes (64GB) with SeaTools
SATA to IDE adapter, the one Phil likes (JP103-5)
New manufacture
Optical Drive: DVD-ROM, beige (IDE)
Floppy Drive: 3.5", 1.44MB, beige
OS: Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition with no patches or updates
DirectX: 7.0 or 7.0a? Differences? Cannot search 7.0a on Vogons, only sees it as 7 0a
Really a nice and decent build. I like it.
If you can get hands on one or possible two V2, then I think the gfx system is the best you can do.
The only thing that holds me back from getting V2's are the price.
Even though I have a V2-Sli cable and a couple of loopback cables in the box'o hardware.
Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....
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