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Moved an old PC around, now won't turn on

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Reply 40 of 60, by Sammy

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oh and when you install it again after moving, did you connect everything right?

I can remember someone shortened the contacts in the USB connector or network connector, when he tryed to connect the the usb cable "blind" on the backside.

Reply 41 of 60, by Duffman

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Sammy wrote:

hmm, just to be sure, you switch the psu on again on the back?

sorry did not read the complete thread.

I found this quite unusual, but the FSP Power Supply I baught doesn't have a switch on the back

looks like this
http://gadget88.com.au/image/cache/data/POWER … 0_5-500x500.jpg

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Reply 42 of 60, by Sammy

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oh you bought a new one... didn't read that

Reply 43 of 60, by PCBONEZ

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Duffman wrote:

I found this quite unusual, but the FSP Power Supply I baught doesn't have a switch on the back

I've seen that a lot with older PSUs but it's certainly unusual for a newer one.
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On the workbench you can work around it by plugging into a power strip and then using the switch on the power strip.
Bit easier than pulling the plug every time.
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Reply 44 of 60, by Duffman

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PCBONEZ wrote:
I've seen that a lot with older PSUs but it's certainly unusual for a newer one. . On the workbench you can work around it by pl […]
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I've seen that a lot with older PSUs but it's certainly unusual for a newer one.
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On the workbench you can work around it by plugging into a power strip and then using the switch on the power strip.
Bit easier than pulling the plug every time.
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Yeah I'm already using a powerstrip with switches on it

In the last picture I uploaded, is the power button on the right pins now?

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Reply 45 of 60, by Duffman

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Duffman wrote:

In the last picture I uploaded, is the power button on the right pins now?

yes? no?

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Reply 46 of 60, by Tetrium

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Duffman wrote:
Duffman wrote:

In the last picture I uploaded, is the power button on the right pins now?

yes? no?

You could just read the manual and check for yourself?
I mean, plugging in the powerswitch cable into the motherboard really is very basic computer knowledge

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Reply 47 of 60, by Duffman

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Tetrium wrote:

You could just read the manual and check for yourself?
I mean, plugging in the powerswitch cable into the motherboard really is very basic computer knowledge

It looks correct to me

but nothing happens when i push the power button, so I thought I'd ask for a second opinion

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Reply 48 of 60, by Tetrium

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Duffman wrote:
Tetrium wrote:

You could just read the manual and check for yourself?
I mean, plugging in the powerswitch cable into the motherboard really is very basic computer knowledge

It looks correct to me

but nothing happens when i push the power button, so I thought I'd ask for a second opinion

Short the power switch connectors on the mobo using a screwdriver as, as PCBONEZ already suggested on the previous page, the switch in your case might be the problem.

Other things you could try (I'm not going to read everything back btw so I might suggest something you already tried):
Take the mobo out and test it on your workbench.
Start swapping every other hardware component around and test test test till something else happens
Before starting your round of testing on your testbench, attach a speaker to the board and perhaps a (small) fan to one of your molex's so you can see if the PSU is starting to supply power, even when the board still appears to not respond.

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Reply 49 of 60, by PCBONEZ

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Yes - as it's acting stone dead trying to start it by jumping the pins vice using the switch is the next logical step.
It would not hurt to also check that the switch works with a multimeter and to do the same for the reset switch.
Using a known good switch would also work. It does not have to be installed in the case.

The ATX Power and Reset switches are the same kind of switch (monetarily closed) so you can use the Reset switch in place of the Power switch by putting the Reset wires on the Power Switch pins.
Those are both usually plain common 2-wire switches. It doesn't matter which way wires are so long as they are on the right pins.
In other words 'plus' and 'minus' doesn't matter for Power and Reset switches. And you can use those two switches interchangeably.
(Does not work with older AT switches.)

I flipped the orientation around and added color to earlier photos and screen shots to make the pinout easier to follow.

Pins_1.JPG

I put the markings were the actual pins should be, the connectors obscure some of them because of their slant.
Don't let that confuse you.

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Reply 50 of 60, by Duffman

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Hello again,

I can confirm the PSU and power button are working, I replaced the motherboard with another one, an AOpen AX63, and it turns on now. it's got some rust on the back though.

Regarding the old motherboard that won't turn on, is there anything I might be able to do to get it to work again?

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Reply 51 of 60, by Duffman

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any ideas on what I can do about the dead motherboard? or are they usually unfixable?

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Reply 52 of 60, by alexanrs

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The first thing is diagnosing everything. Trying to force the PC to start (by shorting the green and black wires on the PSU while connected to the motherboard) can narrow it down to the power on circuitry. It could be some cold solder joint. Or it could just be unfixable. It depends on your habilities and on how much trouble you're willing to go through,

Reply 53 of 60, by clueless1

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PCBONEZ wrote:

Yes - as it's acting stone dead trying to start it by jumping the pins vice using the switch is the next logical step.
It would not hurt to also check that the switch works with a multimeter and to do the same for the reset switch.
Using a known good switch would also work. It does not have to be installed in the case.

To OP: Expanding on PCBONEZ statement, I pulled a power switch, along with the wires and jumper on the end, out of a case I was planning on discarding. It's good to have on hand for out-of-case testing.

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Reply 54 of 60, by Duffman

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alexanrs wrote:

The first thing is diagnosing everything. Trying to force the PC to start (by shorting the green and black wires on the PSU while connected to the motherboard)

wait, shorting the PSU wires while it's connected to the motherboard? are you sure?

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Reply 55 of 60, by gdjacobs

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As long as you're shorting the PS_ON wire to ground, it's safe.

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Reply 56 of 60, by Duffman

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OK, So how do I short the PSU while it's plugged into the motherboard?

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Reply 57 of 60, by gdjacobs

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Duffman wrote:

OK, So how do I short the PSU while it's plugged into the motherboard?

Not sure what the original idea was, but a switch can be installed directly on the ATX cable or by soldering on the pins at the back of the motherboard.

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Reply 58 of 60, by alexanrs

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I just jam a paper clip at the top of the connector (should make contact) xD

Reply 59 of 60, by Duffman

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alexanrs wrote:

I just jam a paper clip at the top of the connector (should make contact) xD

but wouldn't the wires get in the way?

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OSs: Win 11 Pro (NVMe) + WinXP Pro SP3 (SATA)
GPU: RTX2070 (11) GT730 (XP)