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First post, by Oldskoolmaniac

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Ok so i have a few question and will show picks of it as well. My first question is i think the keyboard port is bad with a little research i assume that port is called a model f port on these old boards but anyway the keyboard flashes its light when i flick the computer on but i get keyboard not detected and halts in bios, also the keyboard itself has a switch for AT or XT im assuming at right? also the battery next to it was so corroded that it was all over the port i tried to clean it as much as possible.
Next part im wondering about, there are 8 small ram modules 1mb each stick so whats with the bigger ram slots.

you'll have to accuse my ignorance Ive only set up a windows 3.11 in vmware (what a pain that was fun tho) I have been wanting to do a win3.11 machine instead of a vm or just strictly dos 6.22 to play games

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Reply 1 of 16, by Oldskoolmaniac

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also the model of this computer is a Nova AT-386

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Reply 2 of 16, by Jorpho

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Oldskoolmaniac wrote:

My first question is i think the keyboard port is bad with a little research i assume that port is called a model f port on these old boards

Generally I think of it as an "AT" connector.

but anyway the keyboard flashes its light when i flick the computer on but i get keyboard not detected and halts in bios, also the keyboard itself has a switch for AT or XT im assuming at right?

Well, if one doesn't work, maybe you should try the other..?
https://deskthority.net/wiki/AT_keyboard_interface

Next part im wondering about, there are 8 small ram modules 1mb each stick so whats with the bigger ram slots.

Those are for 72-pin SIMMs, if I'm not mistaken. I doubt there is any particular advantage to using 72-pin SIMMs or 30-pin SIMMs on this particular board. In any case, older boards tend to be very picky about what RAM modules go where, so I would not expect you to be able to arbitrarily mix-and-match 72-pin and 30-pin modules.

Reply 3 of 16, by ODwilly

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Your motherboard appears to be Socket 3 or 2, seeing as how I spy a AMD Dx-66 486 processor

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Reply 4 of 16, by brassicGamer

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If they keyboard is good (i.e. working in another machine) the next step is to test continuity of the socket, which would require a multimeter. Then you would know if the socket is damaged, and you may need to desolder and replace. Or find someone who can do it for you. 😀

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Reply 5 of 16, by Oldskoolmaniac

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im pretty good with soldering but where might i find another port i couldn't find one at all on ebay

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Reply 6 of 16, by h-a-l-9000

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Looks like you have corroded traces under the battery and at the keyboard connector.

1+1=10

Reply 7 of 16, by Oldskoolmaniac

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i wonder if im better of replacing the board it pretty corroded looking around there

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Reply 8 of 16, by h-a-l-9000

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Get rid of the remaining 'battery base' by removing everything removable and the battery and bathing the board in thinned vinegar essence for a an hour or two. Afterward wash with clear water. Swing the board around so larger spots of water are forced away. Let it dry, if possible at a higher temperature.

If only these keyboard traces are affected you can get away by soldering replacement wires from the keyboard connector to the two ferrite beads next to the battery.

1+1=10

Reply 9 of 16, by Oldskoolmaniac

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ill give it a shot thanks

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Reply 10 of 16, by h-a-l-9000

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You don't need to bath the whole board - only the affected section.

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Reply 11 of 16, by keenerb

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The two traces that run between the battery and the keyboard connector look like they might have been damaged. Maybe check those with a multimeter. I find them very suspicious.

Reply 12 of 16, by Oldskoolmaniac

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so i desoldered the battery and the keyboard port. i really need to get a multimeter sometime and the only vinegar i keep finding is distilled, ill have to check next time i go down to the city

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Reply 13 of 16, by stamasd

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I agree, those 2 traces don't look good. Especially the one that goes to pin 1 (clock). The good news is, if that's the only damage and they are indeed open circuit when checked with a multimeter, they should be easy to fix with solder and perhaps short lengths of wire.

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Reply 14 of 16, by Oldskoolmaniac

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found the reason why the keyboard wasn't working the one fork was broke off

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Reply 15 of 16, by brassicGamer

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Well that answers that question. It's quite possible you could source a replacement from somewhere like aliexpress but i expect your best bet is to find a donor board.

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