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First post, by athlon-power

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I got bored while waiting for parts to show up for my PII 400 machine, so I started pushing the P200 in my SS7 build to see if it could do anything. Spoiler: it can't.

This is the worst overclocker I've ever seen. This CPU can do only four things: underclock, stay the same, overclock slightly, or cause a Windows protection error. I will attach a log I made while testing with Quake running under Windows 98, but the results and what the motherboard said indicate that this CPU can only do 166, 200, and 233*MHz.

This was done with a PCChips M570, 32MB of PC100 SDRAM, an S3 Trio 3D, an ESS1869F, and a 3Com EtherLink III ISA running on Windows 98. ISA bus was restricted to ~7MHz while I changed bus speeds, but ran at PCICLK/4 (~8MHz) while I was running at the native 66.6MHz. All of the "auto" settings had the ISA bus at ~7MHz even though it was at 66MHz, and that was just because I accidentally did the first benchmark like that so I decided to not change the setting and keep it at ~7MHz for the duration of that part of the test.

While messing with the FSB and multipliers, I ended up going extreme on the theoretical CPU speeds once I realized that what I was doing was changing nothing. That's why I was "pushing it to 412MHz," because no matter what I did, the motherboard would report 233MHz and I'd get little to no performance improvement, or a real overclock at all.

*=I have no idea if it really was 233 or not. The one I know that seemed to legitimately overclock it was pushing it to 225MHz. That's it.

Log:

Pentium MMX 200 Overclock
Quake, 320x200, timedemo demo3
All done on 2.8v unless otherwise specified

Overclock using “user define” to change bus speeds/multipliers

199.8 66.6x3: 28 seconds, 39 FPS (motherboard reports 200MHz)
225 75x3: 24.8 seconds, 43.9 FPS (motherboard reports 233MHz)
249.9 83.3x3: Windows protection error (motherboard reports 233MHz)
266.4 66.6x4: 30.5 seconds 35.7 FPS (motherboard reports 166MHz)
299.7 66.6x4.5: 30.7 seconds, 35.5 FPS (motherboard reports 166MHz)
225 75x3: 24.8 seconds 43.9 FPS (motherboard reports 233MHz)
300 75x4: 27.9 seconds 39.1 FPS (motherboard reports 190MHz)
249.9 83.3x3 2.9v: Windows protection error (motherboard reports 233MHz)
337.5 75x4.5: 27.7 seconds 39.4 FPS (motherboard reports 190MHz)
375 75x5: 24.8 seconds 43.9 FPS (motherboard reports 233MHz)
412.5 75x5.5: 25.1 seconds 43.5 FPS (motherboard reports 233MHz)
??? 75x1.5/3.5: 24.9 seconds 43.7 FPS (motherboard reports 233MHz)

Overclock using “auto” settings to change clock speeds

166MHz: 30.9 seconds 35.3 FPS (motherboard reports 166MHz)
200MHz: 28.1 seconds 38.8 FPS (motherboard reports 200MHz)
233MHz: 28.3 seconds 38.6 FPS (motherboard reports 200MHz)
266MHz: 31 seconds 35.1 FPS (motherboard reports 166MHz)
300MHz: 31.4 seconds 34.8 FPS (motherboard reports 166MHz)
333MHz: 27.7 seconds 39.3 FPS (motherboard reports 200MHz)

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Reply 1 of 4, by Horun

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So the BIOS does not report accurate speeds above 233mhz, sort of common. That particular CPU may not be able to handle any more, sort of the lottery with Intel cpu and OC speeds. Also SIS TX series chips are not well known for being OC friendly unlike the VIA MVP3. There is also the cache and other things to consider. just my opinion....

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Reply 2 of 4, by athlon-power

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Horun wrote on 2020-01-01, 00:00:

So the BIOS does not report accurate speeds above 233mhz, sort of common. That particular CPU may not be able to handle any more, sort of the lottery with Intel cpu and OC speeds. Also SIS TX series chips are not well known for being OC friendly unlike the VIA MVP3. There is also the cache and other things to consider. just my opinion....

I've essentially given up on messing with it anymore. This was more of a spur of the moment decision rather than something I needed to do. Waiting for the new fans for my PII 400 build feels like it is taking centuries and I essentially wanted to see what it could do.

It ran at the higher FSB speeds for very limited amounts of time, so I don't think I actually hurt anything in the computer. I'll run a few tests on it here in a little bit and make sure but everything still seems to work fine. If I really needed the performance, I'd throw in my K6-2 266 and get a nice big boost from just the drop-in upgrade.

I really just made this post to get some ideas as to why the hell it didn't work and why it was enjoying acting so weird considering that the BIOS acts like this motherboard is the best overclocking platform in the world.

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Reply 3 of 4, by rmay635703

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Later Pmmx chips were multiplier locked.

Your PCI bus overclocking at 41mgz might be causing more trouble along with not upping the voltage.

Past experience is that the P200mmx does not over clock well, even after upping the voltage.

Best performance for me was 100mhz x 2x for 200mhz on a pc100 motherboard anyway

Reply 4 of 4, by athlon-power

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rmay635703 wrote on 2020-01-01, 05:23:
Later Pmmx chips were multiplier locked. […]
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Later Pmmx chips were multiplier locked.

Your PCI bus overclocking at 41mgz might be causing more trouble along with not upping the voltage.

Past experience is that the P200mmx does not over clock well, even after upping the voltage.

Best performance for me was 100mhz x 2x for 200mhz on a pc100 motherboard anyway

I actually didn't have any PCI cards installed, just an AGP card and two ISA cards. I've messed with it since then and everything seems alright back at stock speeds. The thing was overclocked for a very minimal amount of time so it didn't have time to really kill anything it seems, only make the system unstable temporarily.

I also had heard other things about the Pentium MMX being very sufficient at 250MHz and higher, and multiple people had mentioned doing that in prior threads, so I wanted to see if I could do it, and I couldn't. I just want to get the parts for the Pentium II build in already, but I don't believe the mail runs today so I may or may not get them by tomorrow.

I didn't need to up the voltage at 75MHz FSB, it booted just fine, ran Quake, etc., but I raised the voltage to 2.9v temporarily while running at 83MHz because it was crashing with a Windows protection error at 2.8v. Either way, it's not going to be able to take an 83MHz FSB, it crashed in both instances.

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