Also a great reason to get your money back

schlang wrote:

Also a great reason to get your money back

Bet it was sold as SCRAP. Therefore not even remotely a reason to get money back. On top of that, those cards were not pictured.

Yeah, it sucks, but that's how it is sometimes.

paypal will see that differently especially if the stuff was just broken to fit the box

cyclone3d is right. I didnt expect these cards and you can see they must already been broken on the photo.

Anyway, dont want to have my money back, all other intact cards and the spare RAM-chips from the EMS cards are worth much more than 20€. Was a great deal in overall...

But I contaced the seller and told him he destroyed cards worth about 200€...

cyclone3d wrote:

schlang wrote:

Also a great reason to get your money back

Bet it was sold as SCRAP. Therefore not even remotely a reason to get money back. On top of that, those cards were not pictured.

Yeah, it sucks, but that's how it is sometimes.

One could argue that items sold as scrap (especially electronics) should remain intact for the client in order to gracefully depopulate boards and sell components, including the PCB. However, it was not pictured, you really don't have a way to prove it was in one piece when in the seller's possession and they purposely broke it.

that idiot should get punished either way for breaking the cards, no matter what the cards were pictured or not

We have to remember that scrappers are in a different business than we are.

They sell the materials that happen to be in the form of old electronics that some people (like me) in the world care for, but are pretty useless otherwise.

Recycling is a good thing.

To show you what else was in the box for 20€...all looking OK and not visible on sellers photo. No basis for a negative rating or return...:

VLB Ark1000
VLB Combo VGA / IDE?
VLB Diamond Stealth 64
Jazz 16

2x TSENG ET4000
Chips PCI VGA - didnt know they made such modern chipsets

But best parts would have been those EMS cards...

I give Cyrix200+ right. It is a different bussiness, and they just happens to see old electronics as a source of raw materials for stuff like new flatscreen tv's and iPhones. On the other hand, it is a shame to destroy something if it is working. This hobby is a kind of recycling on it's own. Things get a second chance of life, and not just dismanteled for the metals and other stuff. It goes two ways. And we can not really complain about recycling can we?

Predator99 wrote:

But I contaced the seller and told him he destroyed cards worth about 200€...

What did the seller reply? What I would not give to be a fly on the wall. A bit like that youtube clip, were a boy figures out that it is not the best idea to hit a new iPhone with a big hammer.

Are those cards even more than dual layer (are any traces running in any layers besides the front and back of the cards)?

If not, then they should be repairable. Won't be pretty, but they should work.

Predator99 wrote:

To show you what else was in the box for 20€...all looking OK and not visible on sellers photo. No basis for a negative rating o […]
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To show you what else was in the box for 20€...all looking OK and not visible on sellers photo. No basis for a negative rating or return...:

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VLB Ark1000
VLB Combo VGA / IDE?
VLB Diamond Stealth 64
Jazz 16

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2x TSENG ET4000
Chips PCI VGA - didnt know they made such modern chipsets

But best parts would have been those EMS cards...

That's a very nice set of cards, certainly worth more than the EUR 20 you paid. But yeah, vandalism is stupid and this guy will probably be more careful next time. He'll probably also ask for more than EUR 20 too though.

Btw, what digital connector is that on the Chips card? It almost looks like it would fit a 1600SW... could that be the elusive Siemens-Nixdorf S26361-D964-A11GS-7? If so I might DM you offering a kidney shortly 😉

Locally a CPU scrapper seems to have cottoned on to the fact people like us offer more cash for intact old crap than he would get for gold when recycling. He sells by the kg, but also says he's prepared to sell individual chips, and he has some interesting stuff (Via Nehemiah for starters), we'll see how that turns out.

dionb wrote:

Btw, what digital connector is that on the Chips card? It almost looks like it would fit a 1600SW... could that be the elusive Siemens-Nixdorf S26361-D964-A11GS-7? If so I might DM you offering a kidney shortly 😉

I've got a similar card that I really have no use for other than some testing. It came out of an industrial system that was marked as a wave solder controller. I'll send you a pic once I locate it again since I am not sure where I stored it.

Received the Yamaha FB-01 today and did some tests on it:

1) plugged in the unit and it powered on without issues
2) unplugged the unit, opened the unit to get to the battery, and according to my multimeter, it showed 2.85V, which is a good sign that the battery was still good*
3) hooked it up to my laptop using my Roland UM-ONE MK2 USB MIDI adapter and played some games with DOSBox.

* will install a removable battery method someday.

I also attempted to install some sound banks using MIDI-OX and it shows as dump/received!! but it's not loading for some reason. The FB01 Sound Editor software refuses to open those SYX files for an odd reason.

Sound banks obtained from here: http://mmmazes.blogspot.com/2010/05/fb-01-patches.html

I also did some inspections for anything wrong and no missing or broken pieces on the unit itself. Could use a bit of cleaning in the back, however, there is a bit of paint missing on the top cover. Other than that, in great condition and working without issues. Best of all, no damage from the shipping carrier and packed very well with packing peanuts and bubble wrap.

Pictures:

Gallery: https://imgur.com/gallery/LlOsTnc

bjwil1991 wrote:

I also attempted to install some sound banks using MIDI-OX and it shows as dump/received!! but it's not loading for some reason. The FB01 Sound Editor software refuses to open those SYX files for an odd reason.

Sound banks obtained from here: http://mmmazes.blogspot.com/2010/05/fb-01-patches.html

Well, if they were for the DX-21 originally and were manually converted to something the FB-01 can load, it may very well be that its software editor cannot handle them due to subtle differences...

(actually, I didn't know other Yamaha 4-op patches could be successfully converted to the FB-01, as the latter is a rather simplified module compared to the others)

Does the FB-01 have a memory protection setting (like most Yamahas)? If so, disable that before sending a dump to it. Also make sure you're sending it to the user bank...

I had the memory protection disabled by going into System Settings. I'll send a command via the Sysex applet and see if that works. Probably the computer is too fast to send the commands, and I probably need to change the latency to a lower setting possibly?

It's been a while since I bought a scrap lot, but this went within my price range and actually contains something I want - the cards on the right being the most interesting, with the pile of laptop fans being the least interesting 😁

Highlights:
Matrox MGA with memory expansion
Medion 9800XL
Voodoo 3 2000 AGP
Very disgusting Soundblaster Vibra card
Basic CMI8738 card
Soundblaster Live SB4760 - reminds me of the one I had in my Athlon 800 PC

dionb wrote:

Btw, what digital connector is that on the Chips card? It almost looks like it would fit a 1600SW... could that be the elusive Siemens-Nixdorf S26361-D964-A11GS-7? If so I might DM you offering a kidney shortly 😉

Its a Siemens W26361-D964-X-02 / W26361-D964-Z4-02-36. Send me a PM if interested 😉

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It's been a while since I bought a scrap lot, but this went within my price range and actually contains something I want - the cards on the right being the most interesting, with the pile of laptop fans being the least interesting 😁

Highlights:
Matrox MGA with memory expansion
Medion 9800XL
Voodoo 3 2000 AGP
Very disgusting Soundblaster Vibra card
Basic CMI8738 card
Soundblaster Live SB4760 - reminds me of the one I had in my Athlon 800 PC

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Sweet. If so inclined you can make some very nice low profile coolers out of those laptop coolers for retro machines so that you aren't using a cooler that will block longer cards from being used

Soooo, somewhat interesting haul today:

It's an ASUS TX97-X motherboard. 430TX chipset, onboard SB16 Vibra (no OPL3, unfortunately), 4 ISA slots.

I have a soft spot for ATX boards, and I'm still looking for a proper "universal" DOS build because my Pentium 3 machine doesn't run some games I want. So I might patch this board for K6-3+ support and try setmul (or even try it with Pentiums) and install DOS/Win 3.11.

Below is a Tseng ET6000, but oddly enough all the MDRAM chips have been removed. I have other Tseng cards, so this one will probably be tested and sold.