TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:55:

Meatball wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:54:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:35:

Added these two little gems to my GPU collection today […]
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Added these two little gems to my GPU collection today

ELSA Erazor III Pro 32MB AGP 4X (Tnt2 Pro)

s-l1600 (1).jpg

Is that a gameport ? never seen a large connector like that on a GPU.

ASUS AGP V7100PRO/PURE/32MB (Geforce 2 MX400)

s-l1600.jpg

Also looking at a Diamond Fusion Banshee from the same seller, but really want a Voodoo 3 3000, the MX400 was all of 8 USD which is a steal and I have always wanted at least one ELSA card in my collection. The MX400 will likely end up in my SS7 build if the GeForce 4 I'm repairing fails. (The MX400 is likely to be overkill for a SS7 machine let alone the GF4 ti 4600)

I can't tell for sure from the overhead shot provided, but given the period of this card's release, I am guessing it is VESA P&D out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Plug_and_Display

Hmm wonder how you would go about using that connector.

Adapters are available. The Voodoo 3500 has a similar pin compatible, but proprietarily slightly odd-shaped connector. The P&D adapter can be massaged to fit the Voodoo 3500 out so it can be directly connected to VGA without the breakout box. Since you have VGA on the card already, you probably have little use for this connector unless you want to go out and get a very period correct flat panel. The P&D is basically a show piece for you at this point. Nice card, in any event.

Meatball wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:54:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:35:

Added these two little gems to my GPU collection today […]
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Added these two little gems to my GPU collection today

ELSA Erazor III Pro 32MB AGP 4X (Tnt2 Pro)

s-l1600 (1).jpg

Is that a gameport ? never seen a large connector like that on a GPU.

ASUS AGP V7100PRO/PURE/32MB (Geforce 2 MX400)

s-l1600.jpg

Also looking at a Diamond Fusion Banshee from the same seller, but really want a Voodoo 3 3000, the MX400 was all of 8 USD which is a steal and I have always wanted at least one ELSA card in my collection. The MX400 will likely end up in my SS7 build if the GeForce 4 I'm repairing fails. (The MX400 is likely to be overkill for a SS7 machine let alone the GF4 ti 4600)

I can't tell for sure from the overhead shot provided, but given the period of this card's release, I am guessing it is VESA P&D out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Plug_and_Display

Sounds like it handled video input as well as output: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/erazor3pro

[edit: slightly better description here: http://www.combatsim.com/htm/oct99/elsa1.htm
pictures make it look like a standard 15 pin dsub, but it came with an adapter to break out the various inputs and outputs, and I haven't yet found a pinout for it. Shouldn't be too hard to work out once the card's up and running and you can see what pins have video out on them]

[damn this is annoying. Looking through the manual, it gives the pinout for the VGA port, but not the video in/out port. Why do that? Document the well documented port and no document the special unique port?]

snufkin wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:59:

Sounds like it handled video input as well as output: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/erazor3pro […]
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Meatball wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:54:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:35:

Added these two little gems to my GPU collection today […]
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Added these two little gems to my GPU collection today

ELSA Erazor III Pro 32MB AGP 4X (Tnt2 Pro)

s-l1600 (1).jpg

Is that a gameport ? never seen a large connector like that on a GPU.

ASUS AGP V7100PRO/PURE/32MB (Geforce 2 MX400)

s-l1600.jpg

Also looking at a Diamond Fusion Banshee from the same seller, but really want a Voodoo 3 3000, the MX400 was all of 8 USD which is a steal and I have always wanted at least one ELSA card in my collection. The MX400 will likely end up in my SS7 build if the GeForce 4 I'm repairing fails. (The MX400 is likely to be overkill for a SS7 machine let alone the GF4 ti 4600)

I can't tell for sure from the overhead shot provided, but given the period of this card's release, I am guessing it is VESA P&D out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Plug_and_Display

Sounds like it handled video input as well as output: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/erazor3pro

[edit: slightly better description here: http://www.combatsim.com/htm/oct99/elsa1.htm
pictures make it look like a standard 15 pin dsub, but it came with an adapter to break out the various inputs and outputs, and I haven't yet found a pinout for it. Shouldn't be too hard to work out once the card's up and running and you can see what pins have video out on them]

Not even close to P&D, then. Nice info find!

snufkin wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:59:

Sounds like it handled video input as well as output: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/erazor3pro […]
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Meatball wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:54:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:35:

Added these two little gems to my GPU collection today […]
Show full quote

Added these two little gems to my GPU collection today

ELSA Erazor III Pro 32MB AGP 4X (Tnt2 Pro)

s-l1600 (1).jpg

Is that a gameport ? never seen a large connector like that on a GPU.

ASUS AGP V7100PRO/PURE/32MB (Geforce 2 MX400)

s-l1600.jpg

Also looking at a Diamond Fusion Banshee from the same seller, but really want a Voodoo 3 3000, the MX400 was all of 8 USD which is a steal and I have always wanted at least one ELSA card in my collection. The MX400 will likely end up in my SS7 build if the GeForce 4 I'm repairing fails. (The MX400 is likely to be overkill for a SS7 machine let alone the GF4 ti 4600)

I can't tell for sure from the overhead shot provided, but given the period of this card's release, I am guessing it is VESA P&D out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Plug_and_Display

Sounds like it handled video input as well as output: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/erazor3pro

[edit: slightly better description here: http://www.combatsim.com/htm/oct99/elsa1.htm
pictures make it look like a standard 15 pin dsub, but it came with an adapter to break out the various inputs and outputs, and I haven't yet found a pinout for it. Shouldn't be too hard to work out once the card's up and running and you can see what pins have video out on them]

[damn this is annoying. Looking through the manual, it gives the pinout for the VGA port, but not the video in/out port. Why do that? Document the well documented port and no document the special unique port?]

Guess Ill have to keep an eye out for the breakout cable and the 3d glasses !

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-02, 16:14:

snufkin wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:59:

Sounds like it handled video input as well as output: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/erazor3pro […]
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Meatball wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:54:

I can't tell for sure from the overhead shot provided, but given the period of this card's release, I am guessing it is VESA P&D out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Plug_and_Display

Sounds like it handled video input as well as output: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/erazor3pro

[edit: slightly better description here: http://www.combatsim.com/htm/oct99/elsa1.htm
pictures make it look like a standard 15 pin dsub, but it came with an adapter to break out the various inputs and outputs, and I haven't yet found a pinout for it. Shouldn't be too hard to work out once the card's up and running and you can see what pins have video out on them]

[damn this is annoying. Looking through the manual, it gives the pinout for the VGA port, but not the video in/out port. Why do that? Document the well documented port and no document the special unique port?]

Guess Ill have to keep an eye out for the breakout cable and the 3d glasses !

Also, keep an eye out for Leprechauns. You'll probably find one of those, first!

Meatball wrote on 2022-02-02, 16:18:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-02, 16:14:

snufkin wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:59:

Sounds like it handled video input as well as output: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/erazor3pro […]
Show full quote

Sounds like it handled video input as well as output: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/erazor3pro

[edit: slightly better description here: http://www.combatsim.com/htm/oct99/elsa1.htm
pictures make it look like a standard 15 pin dsub, but it came with an adapter to break out the various inputs and outputs, and I haven't yet found a pinout for it. Shouldn't be too hard to work out once the card's up and running and you can see what pins have video out on them]

[damn this is annoying. Looking through the manual, it gives the pinout for the VGA port, but not the video in/out port. Why do that? Document the well documented port and no document the special unique port?]

Guess Ill have to keep an eye out for the breakout cable and the 3d glasses !

Also, keep an eye out for Leprechauns. You'll probably find one of those, first!

You never know what will show up on eBay . .I have found some of the strangest things there.

snufkin wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:55:

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-02, 01:44:

HanSolo wrote on 2022-02-01, 23:21:

With the third CPU I accidentally ripped out one pin including the pad while trying to fix them even if I didn't use much force and was pretty careful 🙁 I was hoping the processor would still work since that pin is only 'ground' according to what I found, but unfortunately it won't post.

Tualatins2.jpg

Any ideas if this can be fixed? The 1266-version is not super-rare or -expensive but I don't want to simply give up on it 😀

What I would try on that is a single strand out of a small cable and tacking that tiny little gold nub you can see in there to the nearest other ground pin.

Worth a shot at putting a tiny dab of low temperature solder paste on the tiny stub, then heating the chip from the other side until it melts? Never tried it and it might need to get it too hot, but at least you'd know the stub was hot enough for the solder to wet it if it works. If that worked then it would be easier to wire to the nearest ground (across one and down one I think).

Right... approach I might take is get a fresh scalpel/Xacto blade and gently carve a slight ditch around the gold spot, super careful, not too deep, just to give a bit more contact area and mechanical support... then blob it with 180C or lower solder paste, no point testing IMO, just go for it, so put the wire strand in place and blob that too, then get the end well inserted in the blob over the broken pin... then for heat I'd use a domestic iron on the cotton setting which theoretically goes to 200-205.. now I'd mount that upside down, real securely, and while it's cold figure how to have that and the cpu supported and have the backside of that edge of the pins on the straight bit of the iron's sole. At go time, don't plug it in right away, set it to cotton, put the CPU in place cold, now plug it in or switch on the outlet (Use high wattage power bar if you need that for switch) and watch the solder really carefully... when it flows both ends, give it a count of 10 and then turn off the iron, leave everything in place while it cools off. ... if you hear the iron thermostat tinking on and off a lot while the solder still isn't flowing, you might need to tweak the knob up a little higher. Just thought, do not apply a force that clamps the side of the heatspreader against the side of the iron, this may displace heatspreader when everything gets hot.

My first ever slot-A rig with Asus K7M and 700MHz Athlon. Now pondering between Voodoo 3 3000 and TNT2.

Why does nobody ever consider the Rage Fury MAXXXXXX 🤣

For reasonable price I would, but... you know.

Bought this absolute beast : a Packard Bell Chrom@ laptop.

Specs:

1Processor
2    Intel Pentium III at 700 MHz
3
4Processor cache memory
5    256 KB
6
7Processor frequency
8    700 MHz / 100 MHz
9
10Storage capacity
11    20 GB
12
13Screen size (inches)
14    15 " / 38.1 cm
15
16Installed RAM
17    128 MB SDRAM
18
19Maximum installable RAM
20   256 MB SDRAM
21
22Graphics Card
23    ATI Rage Mobility M1
24
25Dedicated video memory
26    8 MB VRAM
27
28Maximum resolution of the graphics card
29    1024x768
30
31Drive / Writer
32    6x DVD-ROM
33
34Connectivity
35    1 Serial ATA
36    3 USB
37    1 RJ-11 modem
38   1 S-Video
39
40Software provided
41   Microsoft Word 2000, Works 2000 and Money 2000, Norton AntiVirus 2000, Ulead Video Studio 4 and Photo Express 3, Rally Championship 2000... more than 20 titles, Software provided: Microsoft Word 2000, Works 2000 and Money 2000, Norton AntiVirus 2000, Ulead Video Studio 4 and Photo Express 3, Rally Championship 2000... more than 20 titles
42
43Operating system
44   Microsoft Windows ME
45
46Other features
47    Built-in microphone
48
49Number of built-in speakers
50    6
51
52Additional features
53    Media buttons, bass boost with Dolby Digital 5.1, Case type : Portable - Notebook, Display technology : TFT Active Matrix, Sound card : Yamaha YMF 754B 64 voices, Pointing device : TouchPad
54
55Product height
56    277 mm (5.5 inches)
57
58Product Width
59    39 mm (1.5 inches)
60

61Product weight
62    4,1 Kg
63
64Product width
65    39 mm
66
67Product height
68    277 mm
69
70Product weight
71    4,1 Kg
72
73Software supplied
74    Microsoft Word 2000, Works 2000 and Money 2000, Norton AntiVirus 2000, Ulead Video Studio 4 and Photo Express 3, Rally Championship 2000... more than 20 titles, Software provided: Microsoft Word 2000, Works 2000 and Money 2000, Norton AntiVirus 2000, Ulead Video Studio 4 and Photo Express 3, Rally Championship 2000... more than 20 titles
75
76Product length
77    375 mm
78
79Legal Notice
80    The local Specific Absorption Rate (SAR) quantifies the user's exposure to electromagnetic waves from the equipment concerned. The maximum permissible SAR is 2 W/kg for the head and trunk and 4 W/kg for the limbs.

(Seller's photos)

A second time.

This time, I won't be putting 40 years old musky floppy disks anywhere around its floppy drive.
Maybe I'll put a Linux distro on it, as the first one still works just fine with Windows 98SE and native DOS games (with sound). The keyboard is so good, I'd like to code with it...
Once again however, a replacement battery will be absolutely impossible to find. It will have to be used with the power cord attached to a power source, or not at all.

There is something about that Chrom@ laptop that is just aesthetically pleasing.

oh, and thanks for the windows Millennium cd key. ^.^

As for the battery, if you decide its worth the effort, replacing the cells in the pack is the most common option. In a nutshell, the process involves a cutting open the pack, removing the cells without damaging the internal circuitry/wiring, and putting it back together with new cells. In most cases i've personally dealt with, the cells are either "C" size or 18650.

I bought a wonderfully looking Pentium II 333. The motherboard is great as well but I bought it specifically for the form factor. The inside of the case is extremely tidy with no wires in the way - everything is neatly tucked & cable tied to the edge of the case. I was amazed to see a PC this old that looks so neat & tidy inside.

Slot load!

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-02, 17:00:

snufkin wrote on 2022-02-02, 15:55:

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-02, 01:44:

What I would try on that is a single strand out of a small cable and tacking that tiny little gold nub you can see in there to the nearest other ground pin.

Worth a shot at putting a tiny dab of low temperature solder paste on the tiny stub, then heating the chip from the other side until it melts? Never tried it and it might need to get it too hot, but at least you'd know the stub was hot enough for the solder to wet it if it works. If that worked then it would be easier to wire to the nearest ground (across one and down one I think).

Right... approach I might take is get a fresh scalpel/Xacto blade and gently carve a slight ditch around the gold spot, super careful, not too deep, just to give a bit more contact area and mechanical support... then blob it with 180C or lower solder paste, no point testing IMO, just go for it, so put the wire strand in place and blob that too, then get the end well inserted in the blob over the broken pin... then for heat I'd use a domestic iron on the cotton setting which theoretically goes to 200-205.. now I'd mount that upside down, real securely, and while it's cold figure how to have that and the cpu supported and have the backside of that edge of the pins on the straight bit of the iron's sole. At go time, don't plug it in right away, set it to cotton, put the CPU in place cold, now plug it in or switch on the outlet (Use high wattage power bar if you need that for switch) and watch the solder really carefully... when it flows both ends, give it a count of 10 and then turn off the iron, leave everything in place while it cools off. ... if you hear the iron thermostat tinking on and off a lot while the solder still isn't flowing, you might need to tweak the knob up a little higher. Just thought, do not apply a force that clamps the side of the heatspreader against the side of the iron, this may displace heatspreader when everything gets hot.

Thank you all for all this input. A connection to another ground pin sounds like a good idea.

All this (connecting pins) just brought back memories of the Tualatin-Mod back in the days when a friend and I were trying to get a Tualatin working on an Abit BX133 😀
(In the end it worked but wasn't stable)

Bought the Compaq Armada 7792DMT.
I have a crush on white laptops, but this one needs some help. Keyboard, trackpoint and hinges needs a magic touch.

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-02, 17:18:

Why does nobody ever consider the Rage Fury MAXXXXXX 🤣

Hah.. I have one but not sure what kind of build I would want it in.

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-02, 17:18:

Why does nobody ever consider the Rage Fury MAXXXXXX 🤣

Because it clearly has anger issues. I'll have the "nVidia Gentle Nurturing MMMMM" thanks.

BitWrangler wrote on 2022-02-02, 17:18:

Why does nobody ever consider the Rage Fury MAXXXXXX 🤣

I tried to buy one as part of a lot of cards but I felt like the final price was way too high for a possibly dead Fury Maxx and some mediocre cards.

I only know about the thing from reviews and benchies, but it seems to me that it only has it's dual GPU potential MAXX out on a few titles and you may as well run a Rage Fury Pro the rest of the time. So add silly pricing to that and I can see why they don't get that much love.