danieljm wrote on 2023-01-17, 07:37:

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Managed to get this for $20. Feeling very lucky. Unfortunately I don't have a CPU/Motherboard powerful enough to take full advantage of it. 😀

Whatever you do, don't try to put it into an Nforce 3 Ultra board and expect to install anything newer than Windows XP. I can't remember the details, but there is some kind of issue with the AGP drivers for that chipset. I believe none were officially released and any workarounds to force AGP to work are not compatible with ATI cards. I ran into this trying to get that exact same model of card working in a PC I have. There is, sadly, no work around.

Because of this, I'd suggest trying to find either a late VIA or Intel based AGP board. My reasoning for this is: Why use one of the fastest AGP cards ever made if you're limited to Windows XP? There are newer\better PCI-E cards that work fine in XP if you want an overkill XP system. Seems like more fun to try to see what kind of "modern" software you can get to run on the fastest AGP system you can build. Any game that doesn't require a card to support higher than DX10.1 should theoretically work. 😀

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote on 2023-01-17, 04:29:

TBF 100 euro is basically what a single working V1 goes for.

Even here in the balkans prices have gone up like crazy for old pc hardware. Some 10 years ago on the flea market: "I'm not going to pay 20
EUR for some crap voodoo3!" And now those cards aren't even showing up.

This colleague, even a few years ago was asking some 100EUR for these cards. Now I really have though that they might be worth saving for that price... before he decides to double the price.

danieljm wrote on 2023-01-17, 07:27:

Looks like you've got a couple Voodoo Rush cards there. Not sure if this will help you at all, but I recently got a Voodoo Rush and I was worried it might be broken but it turned out to be just software issues. The 2D was working, but trying to start a game with Glide in DOS was crashing my system. When I jumped into Windows 98 I was getting "out of range" messages on my monitor, but then I tried 3D Mark 99 and it ran just fine. From what I can tell D3D games were fine and it was just Glide games that were the issue. After moving back to version 2.43 of Glide I managed to get games working in Windows. I haven't gone back to try in DOS yet, but from what I understand the Rush doesn't like DOS games, so I'm not holding out hope there.

The other common issue apparently is that the drivers will overclock the 2D chip in Windows and that can lead to garbled text. There's a registry setting you can edit to bring the clock speed down which will fix the problem.

Anyway, hopefully that can help you. Good luck!

Thank You! Upon inspection the two Rush cards look undamaged so I'll test them first. I wasn't aware of the issue that chip is getting overclocked. I'll get to it this weekend. Probably going to share about how it goes here on Vogons.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2023-01-17, 08:11:

danieljm wrote on 2023-01-17, 07:37:

IMG_0332.jpeg

Managed to get this for $20. Feeling very lucky. Unfortunately I don't have a CPU/Motherboard powerful enough to take full advantage of it. 😀

Whatever you do, don't try to put it into an Nforce 3 Ultra board and expect to install anything newer than Windows XP. I can't remember the details, but there is some kind of issue with the AGP drivers for that chipset. I believe none were officially released and any workarounds to force AGP to work are not compatible with ATI cards. I ran into this trying to get that exact same model of card working in a PC I have. There is, sadly, no work around.

Because of this, I'd suggest trying to find either a late VIA or Intel based AGP board. My reasoning for this is: Why use one of the fastest AGP cards ever made if you're limited to Windows XP? There are newer\better PCI-E cards that work fine in XP if you want an overkill XP system. Seems like more fun to try to see what kind of "modern" software you can get to run on the fastest AGP system you can build. Any game that doesn't require a card to support higher than DX10.1 should theoretically work. 😀

As far as I know the problem is that Nvidia didn't release any GART driver for anything higher than XP.
That's why no (ATi) AGP cards can be used with Nforce on newer OSes.

ChrisK wrote on 2023-01-17, 08:38:

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2023-01-17, 08:11:

danieljm wrote on 2023-01-17, 07:37:

IMG_0332.jpeg

Managed to get this for $20. Feeling very lucky. Unfortunately I don't have a CPU/Motherboard powerful enough to take full advantage of it. 😀

Whatever you do, don't try to put it into an Nforce 3 Ultra board and expect to install anything newer than Windows XP. I can't remember the details, but there is some kind of issue with the AGP drivers for that chipset. I believe none were officially released and any workarounds to force AGP to work are not compatible with ATI cards. I ran into this trying to get that exact same model of card working in a PC I have. There is, sadly, no work around.

Because of this, I'd suggest trying to find either a late VIA or Intel based AGP board. My reasoning for this is: Why use one of the fastest AGP cards ever made if you're limited to Windows XP? There are newer\better PCI-E cards that work fine in XP if you want an overkill XP system. Seems like more fun to try to see what kind of "modern" software you can get to run on the fastest AGP system you can build. Any game that doesn't require a card to support higher than DX10.1 should theoretically work. 😀

As far as I know the problem is that Nvidia didn't release any GART driver for anything higher than XP.
That's why no (ATi) AGP cards can be used with Nforce on newer OSes.

Yes, but there is a bit more to it than that since modded driver packs have been put out in recent years.

https://winraid.level1techs.com/t/nvidia-opti … r-win7-10/21787

(Nf3 stuff is mentioned near the end of the first post)

I haven't followed this topic in a while so I'm not sure what the current limitations are, but remember reading a while ago that the modded drivers at least worked with Nvidia cards (possibly in some kind of slower compatibility mode?), but did not work at all with ATI. Things may have changed since then though. I honestly can't remember to what degree I actually tinkered with this stuff... It's been a long couple of years.

Two more CRTs for my 'collection'. A 17" Samsung SyncMaster 795DF and a 19" Hyundai ImageQuest Q910. Both have great specs: the 17" with 85kHz, the 19" with 110kHz. And both are relatively small and light compared to other 17"/19" monitors. (The 17" is smaller than a Sony 15" that I have)

I still see CRTs being given away for free in my area but I just don't have the space to collect them all so I limit myself to the latest/best models. Right now I could get a 15"/66kHz Hyundai but I'll have to pass on that one. I think now is the last time to get them. They are showing up noticably less often already and in few years they will all be gone.
How do you guys solve this problem? Do you grab everything or only the 'better' ones? Or just don't care for CRTs?

I just don't have space to collect CRTs. Might buy a 19" if I find a good one after I move somewhere with more space (should be soon). Gotta be a decent price though. Oh, and I need a mono monitor to test my MDA and HGC cards 😀

not as bright as VA panel next to it

Today's find: A ASUS A9550GE/TD/256M/A AGP8X video card. It is a ATI Radeon 9550, with 256MB video memory and passive cooling. Also I wonder if it is the 128bit version.
Opinion about it?

RetroPC_King wrote on 2023-01-17, 15:25:

Today's find: A ASUS A9550GE/TD/256M/A AGP8X video card. It is a ATI Radeon 9550, with 256MB video memory and passive cooling. Also I wonder if it is the 128bit version.
Opinion about it?

Yes, it's a 128-bit model. Most 9550 are 128-bit.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2023-01-17, 09:39:

Yes, but there is a bit more to it than that since modded driver packs have been put out in recent years. […]
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ChrisK wrote on 2023-01-17, 08:38:

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2023-01-17, 08:11:

Whatever you do, don't try to put it into an Nforce 3 Ultra board and expect to install anything newer than Windows XP. I can't remember the details, but there is some kind of issue with the AGP drivers for that chipset. I believe none were officially released and any workarounds to force AGP to work are not compatible with ATI cards. I ran into this trying to get that exact same model of card working in a PC I have. There is, sadly, no work around.

Because of this, I'd suggest trying to find either a late VIA or Intel based AGP board. My reasoning for this is: Why use one of the fastest AGP cards ever made if you're limited to Windows XP? There are newer\better PCI-E cards that work fine in XP if you want an overkill XP system. Seems like more fun to try to see what kind of "modern" software you can get to run on the fastest AGP system you can build. Any game that doesn't require a card to support higher than DX10.1 should theoretically work. 😀

As far as I know the problem is that Nvidia didn't release any GART driver for anything higher than XP.
That's why no (ATi) AGP cards can be used with Nforce on newer OSes.

Yes, but there is a bit more to it than that since modded driver packs have been put out in recent years.

https://winraid.level1techs.com/t/nvidia-opti … r-win7-10/21787

(Nf3 stuff is mentioned near the end of the first post)

I haven't followed this topic in a while so I'm not sure what the current limitations are, but remember reading a while ago that the modded drivers at least worked with Nvidia cards (possibly in some kind of slower compatibility mode?), but did not work at all with ATI. Things may have changed since then though. I honestly can't remember to what degree I actually tinkered with this stuff... It's been a long couple of years.

I just know the topic from my old motherboard. ASRock has some advanced "tutorial" for the driver installation:
https://www.asrock.com/support/note/AM2NF3-VSTA.html
There seem to be several dependencies in there. But since I never used AGP with something higher than XP on this I can't tell any more about it.

HanSolo wrote on 2023-01-17, 12:37:

Two more CRTs for my 'collection'. A 17" Samsung SyncMaster 795DF and a 19" Hyundai ImageQuest Q910. Both have great specs: the 17" with 85kHz, the 19" with 110kHz. And both are relatively small and light compared to other 17"/19" monitors. (The 17" is smaller than a Sony 15" that I have)

I still see CRTs being given away for free in my area but I just don't have the space to collect them all so I limit myself to the latest/best models. Right now I could get a 15"/66kHz Hyundai but I'll have to pass on that one. I think now is the last time to get them. They are showing up noticably less often already and in few years they will all be gone.
How do you guys solve this problem? Do you grab everything or only the 'better' ones? Or just don't care for CRTs?

Don't care honestly.
Had a 19" back then (good ol' Medion brand 😉 ) but really can't remember what happened to it after I bought an LCD.
It was just such a relief in many ways, weight-wise, space-wise, picturesize-wise. Never had any type of TN-panel though, so decreasing picture quality compared to a tube (in my use-cases) wasn't an issue for me.

ChrisK wrote on 2023-01-17, 16:08:

Don't care honestly.
Had a 19" back then (good ol' Medion brand 😉 ) but really can't remember what happened to it after I bought an LCD.
It was just such a relief in many ways, weight-wise, space-wise, picturesize-wise. Never had any type of TN-panel though, so decreasing picture quality compared to a tube (in my use-cases) wasn't an issue for me.

i let all my crts go and while it might have been nice to keep a good one i really don't mind either even though i recognise both the vintage/retro advantages and nostalgia of them

gerry wrote on 2023-01-17, 16:23:

ChrisK wrote on 2023-01-17, 16:08:

Don't care honestly.
Had a 19" back then (good ol' Medion brand 😉 ) but really can't remember what happened to it after I bought an LCD.
It was just such a relief in many ways, weight-wise, space-wise, picturesize-wise. Never had any type of TN-panel though, so decreasing picture quality compared to a tube (in my use-cases) wasn't an issue for me.

i let all my crts go and while it might have been nice to keep a good one i really don't mind either even though i recognise both the vintage/retro advantages and nostalgia of them

It is not necessarily for nostalgia's sake though. 😉

Some older DOS programs did use the overscan borders and changing the palette color affects it, something that it isn't visible with LCD monitors. Wolfenstein 3-D, Commander Keen and Crystal Caves are good examples, the last one changing the border color to green as a way to remind the player when all crystals are collected on a level.

HanSolo wrote on 2023-01-17, 12:37:

How do you guys solve this problem?

By not living somewhere where people give away CRTs for free. 😜

Where I live CRTs are getting hard to come by. Haven't seen any for free unless they are really junky. Desirable units tend to command a premium (e.g. hundreds of $ ).

I do have an alert set up for local sales and have been a bit lucky in some local finds at reasonable prices.

These. Where they come from? they seem to be an old design and not from a 486 or Pentium, maybe they are the original PS/2 sims?

AlessandroB wrote on 2023-01-17, 17:33:

These. Where they come from? they seem to be an old design and not from a 486 or Pentium, maybe they are the original PS/2 sims?

Those are indeed original PS/2 memory modules.
Lookup the FRU number. 😀

ChrisK wrote on 2023-01-17, 16:08:

Don't care honestly. Had a 19" back then (good ol' Medion brand ;) ) but really can't remember what happened to it after I bough […]
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HanSolo wrote on 2023-01-17, 12:37:

Two more CRTs for my 'collection'. A 17" Samsung SyncMaster 795DF and a 19" Hyundai ImageQuest Q910. Both have great specs: the 17" with 85kHz, the 19" with 110kHz. And both are relatively small and light compared to other 17"/19" monitors. (The 17" is smaller than a Sony 15" that I have)

I still see CRTs being given away for free in my area but I just don't have the space to collect them all so I limit myself to the latest/best models. Right now I could get a 15"/66kHz Hyundai but I'll have to pass on that one. I think now is the last time to get them. They are showing up noticably less often already and in few years they will all be gone.
How do you guys solve this problem? Do you grab everything or only the 'better' ones? Or just don't care for CRTs?

Don't care honestly.
Had a 19" back then (good ol' Medion brand 😉 ) but really can't remember what happened to it after I bought an LCD.
It was just such a relief in many ways, weight-wise, space-wise, picturesize-wise. Never had any type of TN-panel though, so decreasing picture quality compared to a tube (in my use-cases) wasn't an issue for me.

I totally understand the problems that come with CRTs. But any LCD I have seen so far is a step back in picture quality under DOS. One major drawback is that the 320x200 mode has 70 fps while most LCDs (as far as I know) only show 60 fps. Then the scaling problem, rectangular pixels, etc.

AlessandroB wrote on 2023-01-17, 17:33:

These. Where they come from? they seem to be an old design and not from a 486 or Pentium, maybe they are the original PS/2 sims?

The three modules with empty space is compatible with standard 486 and 386 machines. The other 5 is not compatible and only works on IBM machines that uses these. I tried many ways but reason is there is no 4 cas lines signal on these. Sell these 5 modules on ibm vintage facebook group or ebay.

Cheers,

pentiumspeed wrote on 2023-01-17, 23:14:

AlessandroB wrote on 2023-01-17, 17:33:

These. Where they come from? they seem to be an old design and not from a 486 or Pentium, maybe they are the original PS/2 sims?

The three modules with empty space is compatible with standard 486 and 386 machines. The other 5 is not compatible and only works on IBM machines that uses these. I tried many ways but reason is there is no 4 cas lines signal on these. Sell these 5 modules on ibm vintage facebook group or ebay.

Cheers,

tnks for reply, but i like to have a PS/2 models one day, i can use in that machine? or i need one specific model?

Not sure what 4MB modules were from. The ones I knew about are from PS/2 era around 1987 and 88 meant model 70 that I have, and these only supported 1MB and 2MB modules. This why I needed to know what machines used these odd 4MB modules are from.

Cheers,