Yeah, my understanding was also that this PC was used as some form of DOS office PC. It has a measly 80MB IDE drive inside, and a 3.5" floppy. Someone probably used this for word processing, accounting and the like. I should check the contents of the drive, now that I think about it..

I wish I had a Hercules monitor 🙁 One of my fondest early PC gaming memories was playing Prince of Persia on Hercules 😀

Compaq Voodoo3 3000 running at 3500 speeds; working well. A fan has been strapped onto the heatsink, also.
Xeon E5-1660v2; unable to test until board returns from the 'shop.' It's probably fine, though.

Doornkaat wrote on 2023-06-13, 11:16:

gamefan_851 wrote on 2023-06-13, 10:45:

@Gerry Yeah it really would be funny if things would happen like that. The rumor in my case is bit more concrete though. A collector comes here every to sell stuff every year. Word has it that hey is going to sell most of his stuff minus some few selected gems.

Was talking with about building retro pc last year already (never found time and courage to start until now and he recommended me intel 440bx chipset and celeron 733 mhz as good starting point. He also told me that is not going to sell such part though so I need to look somehwere else.

I want to check if the celeron 733 is among the parts he is supposed to sell or if the celeron is among the few selected gems he is going to keep.

Why a 733MHz Celeron though? You should be able to procure a Pentium III 1000B easily and run it at 750MHz if your board can't handle 133MHz FSB.
Is the Celeron another OC champion?

That's good question. The celeron was recommended to me last year by the above mentioned retro guy because it is supposed to be rather powerful, cheep and also can be overclocked.

After doing some own research I am also more interested in getting a rather fast pentium 3 with 100 fsb for the Asus mainboard. I can go up to 1000 mhz with the p3 which I am going to do probably do . with a p3 1000mhz I should have all the power I need for the games I want to run.

gamefan_851 wrote on 2023-06-13, 17:19:

Doornkaat wrote on 2023-06-13, 11:16:

gamefan_851 wrote on 2023-06-13, 10:45:

@Gerry Yeah it really would be funny if things would happen like that. The rumor in my case is bit more concrete though. A collector comes here every to sell stuff every year. Word has it that hey is going to sell most of his stuff minus some few selected gems.

Was talking with about building retro pc last year already (never found time and courage to start until now and he recommended me intel 440bx chipset and celeron 733 mhz as good starting point. He also told me that is not going to sell such part though so I need to look somehwere else.

I want to check if the celeron 733 is among the parts he is supposed to sell or if the celeron is among the few selected gems he is going to keep.

Why a 733MHz Celeron though? You should be able to procure a Pentium III 1000B easily and run it at 750MHz if your board can't handle 133MHz FSB.
Is the Celeron another OC champion?

That's good question. The celeron was recommended to me last year by the above mentioned retro guy because it is supposed to be rather powerful, cheep and also can be overclocked.

After doing some own research I am also more interested in getting a rather fast pentium 3 with 1000 fsb for the Asus mainboard. I can go up to 1000 mhz with the p3 which I am going to do probably do . with a p3 1000mhz I should have all the power I need for the games I want to run.

100 MHz fsb ?

I don't know why but from my experience, 100mhz FSB PIII faster than 700 MHz tends to be rare/expensive while their 133 MHz counterparts may be found cheaper.

440BX does not officially support 133 MHz fsb but 133 MHz is generally easily reachable.
That may allow you to look for 133 MHz PIII if you find a good offer locally.

The only drawback is that the PCI and AGP frequencies are higher than normal. Some cards may not handle that properly. But most Nvidia does. (And since you're looking for Nvidia cards, no problem)

If the system is not stable at 133, then you can lower the fsb a bit.

Or you can also go the way around and find a 100mhz fsb PIII and raise the fsb to 133 to overclock.
This is what I'm using on my PIII W98 system.
Asus CUBX-E (440BX) + PIII 700 @ 933 + GeForce DDR.
This is a very capable 1999 system (Can run HL2... At 20 ish fps with low details)

acl wrote on 2023-06-13, 17:52:

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gamefan_851 wrote on 2023-06-13, 17:19:

Doornkaat wrote on 2023-06-13, 11:16:

Why a 733MHz Celeron though? You should be able to procure a Pentium III 1000B easily and run it at 750MHz if your board can't handle 133MHz FSB.
Is the Celeron another OC champion?

That's good question. The celeron was recommended to me last year by the above mentioned retro guy because it is supposed to be rather powerful, cheep and also can be overclocked.

After doing some own research I am also more interested in getting a rather fast pentium 3 with 1000 fsb for the Asus mainboard. I can go up to 1000 mhz with the p3 which I am going to do probably do . with a p3 1000mhz I should have all the power I need for the games I want to run.

100 MHz fsb ?

I don't know why but from my experience, 100mhz FSB PIII faster than 700 MHz tends to be rare/expensive while their 133 MHz counterparts may be found cheaper.

440BX does not officially support 133 MHz fsb but 133 MHz is generally easily reachable.
That may allow you to look for 133 MHz PIII if you find a good offer locally.

The only drawback is that the PCI and AGP frequencies are higher than normal. Some cards may not handle that properly. But most Nvidia does. (And since you're looking for Nvidia cards, no problem)

If the system is not stable at 133, then you can lower the fsb a bit.

Or you can also go the way around and find a 100mhz fsb PIII and raise the fsb to 133 to overclock.
This is what I'm using on my PIII W98 system.
Asus CUBX-E (440BX) + PIII 700 @ 933 + GeForce DDR.

Yes I meant 100fsb sorry for the typo. I changed it already. And I am aware that there are options to get a 133 fsb on the asus main board but as a beginner I am not confident and maybe even not compentent enough to try overclocking.

It is good to know that is possible in theory but I stick a frontside bus the motherboard was designend to support, a 100 fsb P3 cpu to be an the save side.

difference between 1GHz P3 and 1100MHz Celeron will be very small

Meatball wrote on 2023-06-13, 13:43:

Compaq Voodoo3 3000 running at 3500 speeds; working well. A fan has been strapped onto the heatsink, also.
Xeon E5-1660v2; unable to test until board returns from the 'shop.' It's probably fine, though.

Nice, ivy bridge 6 core goes 3.7GHz all cores, one core boost at 4GHz, 15MB cache, takes DDR3 1866. ECC or registered ECC memory modules works great. I have E5-2667 V2 using 8 x 16GB registered ECC working great in my Z420.

Great as XP machine too.

Cheers,

Double feature today, but the 2nd movie stunk. This arrived crushed because of some of the worst seller packaging I've ever experienced - it was wrapped like a burrito with no protection. Then for fun, someone gave it a swirly.

pentiumspeed wrote on 2023-06-13, 21:42:

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Meatball wrote on 2023-06-13, 13:43:

Compaq Voodoo3 3000 running at 3500 speeds; working well. A fan has been strapped onto the heatsink, also.
Xeon E5-1660v2; unable to test until board returns from the 'shop.' It's probably fine, though.

Nice, ivy bridge 6 core goes 3.7GHz all cores, one core boost at 4GHz, 15MB cache, takes DDR3 1866. ECC or registered ECC memory modules works great. I have E5-2667 V2 using 8 x 16GB registered ECC working great in my Z420.

Great as XP machine too.

Cheers,

Indeed; it will be paired with Noctua NH-U9DX i4, Titan X (maxwell) and 4x4GB of DDR3-2133 (perhaps I will boost bus speeds and/or increase timings).

I couldn't resist this Presario 433; SX 33MHz and 4MB on-board RAM. It also an ESS AudioDrive ES1688E based sound card installed.

Guess where this CPU is going:

I should have some 8MB sticks somewhere... Max this thing out a bit.

Pulled the trigger for Pentium 3 900mhz (100fsb). It won't be used right away though. I am going to set up my p2 400 MHz system this weekend and in case everything works from the start I will test the p2 400 MHz for a couple of weeks to see what is capable of together with the complete system including Riva TNT 2.

I also need to get a socket adapter first before even thinking of using the p3 900 on the slot 1 motherboard.

I am still happy that I am soon going to be the owner of a more powerful cpu just in case I want/need more power.

gamefan_851 wrote on 2023-06-13, 17:19:

Doornkaat wrote on 2023-06-13, 11:16:

Why a 733MHz Celeron though? You should be able to procure a Pentium III 1000B easily and run it at 750MHz if your board can't handle 133MHz FSB.
Is the Celeron another OC champion?

That's good question. The celeron was recommended to me last year by the above mentioned retro guy because it is supposed to be rather powerful, cheep and also can be overclocked.

After doing some own research I am also more interested in getting a rather fast pentium 3 with 100 fsb for the Asus mainboard. I can go up to 1000 mhz with the p3 which I am going to do probably do . with a p3 1000mhz I should have all the power I need for the games I want to run.

the glorious power of the celeron 733 will still be good! (well, it'll be ok with all kinds of games into the year 2000, put it that way 😀 )

one minor funny thing - of course its tempting to always upgrade - get the fastest cpu for the board, but then the next board can take a P4 - then get the fastest for that board, but then a 775 can run faster and they're cheap, so get that, and get the fastest for that, but then there is a 2nd generation board for cheap, so get that, then get the fastest cpu for the board..... soon enough you may as well get a new PC 😀

the point, if any, is sometimes its just fine not to optimise anything at all and just enjoy a reasonable system for the purpose, and if its playing 9x games from 95-2000 then a celeron 733 with win98 and about 128-256 ram and a nice enough agp card (tnt2, gf2 or something) will give you all the quake 3, unreal, half life, Baldur's gate and so on that you want

After using an ultra-cheapass DT-830D multimeter for repairs for the last five years or so, I finally bought a just-cheapass Aneng SZ08 multimeter. It's not much, but it's mine and it is so much better than the crappy DT-830D 🤣

gerry wrote on 2023-06-14, 09:46:

the glorious power of the celeron 733 will still be good! (well, it'll be ok with all kinds of games into the year 2000, put it […]
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gamefan_851 wrote on 2023-06-13, 17:19:

Doornkaat wrote on 2023-06-13, 11:16:

Why a 733MHz Celeron though? You should be able to procure a Pentium III 1000B easily and run it at 750MHz if your board can't handle 133MHz FSB.
Is the Celeron another OC champion?

That's good question. The celeron was recommended to me last year by the above mentioned retro guy because it is supposed to be rather powerful, cheep and also can be overclocked.

After doing some own research I am also more interested in getting a rather fast pentium 3 with 100 fsb for the Asus mainboard. I can go up to 1000 mhz with the p3 which I am going to do probably do . with a p3 1000mhz I should have all the power I need for the games I want to run.

the glorious power of the celeron 733 will still be good! (well, it'll be ok with all kinds of games into the year 2000, put it that way 😀 )

one minor funny thing - of course its tempting to always upgrade - get the fastest cpu for the board, but then the next board can take a P4 - then get the fastest for that board, but then a 775 can run faster and they're cheap, so get that, and get the fastest for that, but then there is a 2nd generation board for cheap, so get that, then get the fastest cpu for the board..... soon enough you may as well get a new PC 😀

the point, if any, is sometimes its just fine not to optimise anything at all and just enjoy a reasonable system for the purpose, and if its playing 9x games from 95-2000 then a celeron 733 with win98 and about 128-256 ram and a nice enough agp card (tnt2, gf2 or something) will give you all the quake 3, unreal, half life, Baldur's gate and so on that you want

You have a point for sure. And to tell you the truth the 733 mhz celeron is not of the table at all. if is on sale this saturday I will go for it. Also have to feeling that it has to offer enough power for win 9x games from 95 to 2000.

I am also hunting geforce 2 gts card on ebay. I I should win the bidding I will go for it. If not I will go after geforce mx440 as second option.

I really must not get seduced by the temptation to get as much power as possible. if do that I will never be happy. and end up with nothing in my sleeves at all.

If overclocking, I wouldn't bet too much on the 733 Celeron. With a multiplier of 11, it will run at the architecture's maximum speed of 1100 MHz with 100 FSB. It may not be doable. Then one would need to go down to less-than standard FSB like 83 MHz (if supported) with highly overclocked PCI and AGP busses.

appiah4 wrote on 2023-06-14, 09:55:

After using an ultra-cheapass DT-830D multimeter for repairs for the last five years or so, I finally bought a just-cheapass Aneng SZ08 multimeter. It's not much, but it's mine and it is so much better than the crappy DT-830D 🤣

You can get some pretty good meters for $30-40 these days. I bought a UT139 for my son and it's built fairly well. I have an even cheaper meter I use for everyday stuff and it's rare I need to bring out my much more expensive one.

$40 was out of the range of what ı was willing to spend for a device I used 10% of the time in a hobby that I can spend maybe 5% of my time in total 🤣

Seriously, this looks like it has all I need. And I paid just $10 for it. Normal price seems to be around $20.

Hey guys...

Here are two of my latest purchases for my Olivetti collection....

Olivetti M19

Olivetti M300 Italia

The M19 is missing the dos disk (2.10 or 3.10 I don't recall well which should suit better...) but since I'm stuck since two months building a 486 with the only 5,25'' fdd I have around I've not been able to test it in deep (grrrrrr)....I still have to disassemble it and make a deep clean.

The M300 has been cleaned and it works like a charm

Picked up a pair of old ML350s for cheap, one Gen2 and one Gen3. I had a project in mind for the Gen3, doing a kind of "old server repurposed into janky workstation" build. To be honest, though, I'm probably going to strip some parts out of them and pass them on. They're really, really big, and fully loaded so heavy I have to use a wheeler to move them from one end of my apartment to the other. Not a total loss, though. The stack of 15k SCSI drives alone is probably worth what I paid for them, and I think there's a 1.4GHz Tualatin-S in the Gen2 which is pretty neat. I'm still planning to do that project but I think I'll go with a more sane Supermicro or Tyan board that fits in a normal ATX case.

Not to mention the noise those beasts make I guess. Beautiful machines nonetheless...