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Reply 51420 of 52714, by Susanin79

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Kahenraz wrote on 2024-01-11, 10:00:

EISA sounds really complicated. I watched a video from LGR on MCA and it looked equally confusing. Both PnP ISA and PCI "just work". What's up with these other two slots? Is VLB this difficult?

I should check not only two last slots, probably it will works in other slots. Will play with this later evening.
I have never had an EISA boards, this is the first 😀 It would be good to test how it works in compare to the more modern 486VLB
VLB cards so depended from bus speed and it is hard to deal with them if you need to overclock the system.

Reply 51421 of 52714, by Trashbytes

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Susanin79 wrote on 2024-01-11, 10:19:
I should check not only two last slots, probably it will works in other slots. Will play with this later evening. I have never h […]
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Kahenraz wrote on 2024-01-11, 10:00:

EISA sounds really complicated. I watched a video from LGR on MCA and it looked equally confusing. Both PnP ISA and PCI "just work". What's up with these other two slots? Is VLB this difficult?

I should check not only two last slots, probably it will works in other slots. Will play with this later evening.
I have never had an EISA boards, this is the first 😀 It would be good to test how it works in compare to the more modern 486VLB
VLB cards so depended from bus speed and it is hard to deal with them if you need to overclock the system.

EISA runs at 8.33 Mhz, MCA runs at 10Mhz so Im not sure itll overclock any better than ISA does, VLB should be far faster than either in both bus speed and bandwidth.

Reply 51422 of 52714, by acl

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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-01-09, 14:10:
Susanin79 wrote on 2024-01-09, 09:36:

Bought this nice early 486 EISA kit for my 486 build. Have never works with the EISA so it will be a good journey 😀
Seller has no any EISA config files, there will be another task how to configure all this stuff. At least it can boot.
Based on my research it looks identical to this board: https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/digicom-digis-486e

Do love old EISA kit 😀

Not sure on the motherboard ECU / config files (will have a dig around later) but the Adaptec ones should be easy enough and the Olivetti EVC-1 files can be found here - http://66.113.161.23/~mR_Slug/EISA/!OLI1011.CFG/

I was half tempted to build an EISA system at some point, but changed my mind. I'm still curious about that type of systems.
What's the purpose of these config files ? Does the mainboard needs special settings to use the EISA cards ?
(Where can i read more about EISA in general ?)

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Reply 51423 of 52714, by PD2JK

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And it just arrived.

Those VL-ISA (con1) and Data Security & Virus Protect (con5, not pinned) are curious. Maybe some read-only mode or something.

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Reply 51424 of 52714, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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acl wrote on 2024-01-11, 10:55:
I was half tempted to build an EISA system at some point, but changed my mind. I'm still curious about that type of systems. Wha […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-01-09, 14:10:
Susanin79 wrote on 2024-01-09, 09:36:

Bought this nice early 486 EISA kit for my 486 build. Have never works with the EISA so it will be a good journey 😀
Seller has no any EISA config files, there will be another task how to configure all this stuff. At least it can boot.
Based on my research it looks identical to this board: https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/digicom-digis-486e

Do love old EISA kit 😀

Not sure on the motherboard ECU / config files (will have a dig around later) but the Adaptec ones should be easy enough and the Olivetti EVC-1 files can be found here - http://66.113.161.23/~mR_Slug/EISA/!OLI1011.CFG/

I was half tempted to build an EISA system at some point, but changed my mind. I'm still curious about that type of systems.
What's the purpose of these config files ? Does the mainboard needs special settings to use the EISA cards ?
(Where can i read more about EISA in general ?)

Try this - http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/bcprServices/EISA_Chapter_4.pdf

Reply 51425 of 52714, by Susanin79

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I have use this document to understand the config file format too. Here is the full document, located at the same site: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/bcprServices/EIS … cation_v3.1.pdf

Reply 51426 of 52714, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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Susanin79 wrote on 2024-01-11, 10:19:
I should check not only two last slots, probably it will works in other slots. Will play with this later evening. I have never h […]
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Kahenraz wrote on 2024-01-11, 10:00:

EISA sounds really complicated. I watched a video from LGR on MCA and it looked equally confusing. Both PnP ISA and PCI "just work". What's up with these other two slots? Is VLB this difficult?

I should check not only two last slots, probably it will works in other slots. Will play with this later evening.
I have never had an EISA boards, this is the first 😀 It would be good to test how it works in compare to the more modern 486VLB
VLB cards so depended from bus speed and it is hard to deal with them if you need to overclock the system.

What did the EISA Config Utility (ECU) report when you tried to load that !OPT0000.CFG config file against the mainboard?

Also notice the mainboard has an EISA/ISA card config toggle (jumper JP1) - wonder if it thinks jumper is closed (ISA) rather than open (EISA)

May be worth opening a new thread for this topic

Reply 51427 of 52714, by acl

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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-01-11, 11:19:
acl wrote on 2024-01-11, 10:55:
I was half tempted to build an EISA system at some point, but changed my mind. I'm still curious about that type of systems. Wha […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-01-09, 14:10:

Do love old EISA kit 😀

Not sure on the motherboard ECU / config files (will have a dig around later) but the Adaptec ones should be easy enough and the Olivetti EVC-1 files can be found here - http://66.113.161.23/~mR_Slug/EISA/!OLI1011.CFG/

I was half tempted to build an EISA system at some point, but changed my mind. I'm still curious about that type of systems.
What's the purpose of these config files ? Does the mainboard needs special settings to use the EISA cards ?
(Where can i read more about EISA in general ?)

Try this - http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/bcprServices/EISA_Chapter_4.pdf

Thank you !

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Reply 51428 of 52714, by 3lectr1c

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Ensign Nemo wrote on 2024-01-09, 05:03:
There's a local recycler that lists a ton of stuff on eBay. If you're lucky, you can get some really good deals through them, as […]
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There's a local recycler that lists a ton of stuff on eBay. If you're lucky, you can get some really good deals through them, as local pickup is only $5. This time around I picked up a couple of laptops, a server, and some other goodies.

Both laptops were made by NEC, which I don't know much about, but they were cheap, so I put in a bid for each of them. The first is a Versa M/75, which has a 486DX 75MHz CPU and 8MB ram under the hood. I'm looking forward to this one the most, as I've never owned a 486 and it looks like it would be perfect for the COVOX/DSS sound device that I recently purchased.

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The only downside is that it has a big crack in it close to the hinge, but I got it for under $30 total, so I can't complain.

Versa M/75 is a nice piece of kit.
Here's a page on my website going into a bit of detail on them: https://macdat.net/pc/nec/versa_m_home.html
Specs are there, and there's a page on common faults, which I really only have one thing to list there right now. It's the brittle plastic, which you've clearly already seen from that big ol' crack.
That thing should have built in sound, but it only works in Windows. Weird Crystal Business Audio thing that doesn't support FM synth stuff.
You're also going to want to remove the CMOS battery, as it's a type that leaks. Thankfully located away from the motherboard from my research.

I probably have too many old laptops.

Reply 51429 of 52714, by Gabriel-LG

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-01-11, 01:10:

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Good luck with that card, one of the worst GPUs ever produced by S3/Diamond and one of the big ones that bankrupted them and sent them to the grave, pretty sure they never released working drivers for that card, all the ones ive found are broken in some form or another. Even Unreal Tournament has issue with this card, a number of effects either dont work or have graphical issues, still its pretty cool seeing S3TC/Metal working nicely on correct hardware. When hunting down drivers for the Z200 try to avoid the latest ones with S3TL (Essentially Hybrid Software T&L written by S3, its terrible) as they have significant issues with games that use T&L.

A great novelty card for messing around with S3TC/ S3 Metal but not a card I would ever use in a build, another fun card is the Diamond Stealth III S540 which is a Savage 4 Pro GPU and fares a bit better with drivers being the older of the two.

I know it is a horrible card in terms of performance, driver support and compatibility. That is not what I am looking for in this card.
It is a card with historical significance. The Savage2000 was last attempt of S3 in terms of 3D gaming. It marks the end of both S3 and Diamond Multimedia.

Of course I will build it in and mess around with S3 metal, I just have a softspot for quirky hardware 😉

Thanks for the warning about the latest drivers btw, I will keep that in mind 😀

Reply 51430 of 52714, by Ensign Nemo

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3lectr1c wrote on 2024-01-11, 14:34:
Versa M/75 is a nice piece of kit. Here's a page on my website going into a bit of detail on them: https://macdat.net/pc/nec/ve […]
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Ensign Nemo wrote on 2024-01-09, 05:03:
There's a local recycler that lists a ton of stuff on eBay. If you're lucky, you can get some really good deals through them, as […]
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There's a local recycler that lists a ton of stuff on eBay. If you're lucky, you can get some really good deals through them, as local pickup is only $5. This time around I picked up a couple of laptops, a server, and some other goodies.

Both laptops were made by NEC, which I don't know much about, but they were cheap, so I put in a bid for each of them. The first is a Versa M/75, which has a 486DX 75MHz CPU and 8MB ram under the hood. I'm looking forward to this one the most, as I've never owned a 486 and it looks like it would be perfect for the COVOX/DSS sound device that I recently purchased.

NEC_versa_m75.jpg

The only downside is that it has a big crack in it close to the hinge, but I got it for under $30 total, so I can't complain.

Versa M/75 is a nice piece of kit.
Here's a page on my website going into a bit of detail on them: https://macdat.net/pc/nec/versa_m_home.html
Specs are there, and there's a page on common faults, which I really only have one thing to list there right now. It's the brittle plastic, which you've clearly already seen from that big ol' crack.
That thing should have built in sound, but it only works in Windows. Weird Crystal Business Audio thing that doesn't support FM synth stuff.
You're also going to want to remove the CMOS battery, as it's a type that leaks. Thankfully located away from the motherboard from my research.

Thanks, I appreciate the advice. I'll definitely open it up to check the battery. Interesting about the sound card as well.

Reply 51431 of 52714, by zuldan

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Ensign Nemo wrote on 2024-01-11, 17:44:
3lectr1c wrote on 2024-01-11, 14:34:
Versa M/75 is a nice piece of kit. Here's a page on my website going into a bit of detail on them: https://macdat.net/pc/nec/ve […]
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Ensign Nemo wrote on 2024-01-09, 05:03:
There's a local recycler that lists a ton of stuff on eBay. If you're lucky, you can get some really good deals through them, as […]
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There's a local recycler that lists a ton of stuff on eBay. If you're lucky, you can get some really good deals through them, as local pickup is only $5. This time around I picked up a couple of laptops, a server, and some other goodies.

Both laptops were made by NEC, which I don't know much about, but they were cheap, so I put in a bid for each of them. The first is a Versa M/75, which has a 486DX 75MHz CPU and 8MB ram under the hood. I'm looking forward to this one the most, as I've never owned a 486 and it looks like it would be perfect for the COVOX/DSS sound device that I recently purchased.

NEC_versa_m75.jpg

The only downside is that it has a big crack in it close to the hinge, but I got it for under $30 total, so I can't complain.

Versa M/75 is a nice piece of kit.
Here's a page on my website going into a bit of detail on them: https://macdat.net/pc/nec/versa_m_home.html
Specs are there, and there's a page on common faults, which I really only have one thing to list there right now. It's the brittle plastic, which you've clearly already seen from that big ol' crack.
That thing should have built in sound, but it only works in Windows. Weird Crystal Business Audio thing that doesn't support FM synth stuff.
You're also going to want to remove the CMOS battery, as it's a type that leaks. Thankfully located away from the motherboard from my research.

Thanks, I appreciate the advice. I'll definitely open it up to check the battery. Interesting about the sound card as well.

I bought a Savage 2000 when they were released. The cool graphics on the box convinced me it was going to be a big upgrade in graphics performance (I usually had one of the slow’ish computers at LAN parties). I remember going to my first LAN party with the Savage 2000 and trying out each game to see how it performed. To my horror, it was terrible at all the games. To make it worse, it crashed in some games too.

I learn’t a good lesson, don’t judge a book by it’s cover. Wish I had kept the card though.

Reply 51432 of 52714, by pan069

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Received this card the other day. I love hardware from this vintage, so chunky. Still need to clean it as it's a bit dusty and I haven't had a chance to test it yet. It has a bunch of slow-ass memory on it, I will see if swapping it out with 70ns will make a difference. Luckily all memory chips are socketed so should be easy. Looks like a good match for my 286.

Edit: PS, the 25Mhz oscillator has a small dent in it, not sure if that is something to worry about...

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Reply 51433 of 52714, by DW12

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Today I've got an Audigy sound card in great shape:

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Also got this 256MB DDR SO-DIMM to upgrade the Fujitsu laptop I've got this week to 512MB of RAM total:

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Reply 51434 of 52714, by DerBaum

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DW12 wrote on 2024-01-11, 22:46:

Today I've got an Audigy sound card in great shape:
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I am not sure if i have ever seen a SB0090 card with a sticker on the chipset... Only in press pictures they had this.

Very interesting.

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Reply 51435 of 52714, by wirerogue

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i won this on ebay and the seller delivered. and i mean he really delivered. all 50 pounds of it.
leading edge winpro 486e, dx2-66, trident, soundblaster 16 and all the manuals and software.
my first 486. hooray!!!

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Reply 51436 of 52714, by Veeb0rg

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wirerogue wrote on 2024-01-12, 04:17:
i won this on ebay and the seller delivered. and i mean he really delivered. all 50 pounds of it. leading edge winpro 486e, dx2- […]
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i won this on ebay and the seller delivered. and i mean he really delivered. all 50 pounds of it.
leading edge winpro 486e, dx2-66, trident, soundblaster 16 and all the manuals and software.
my first 486. hooray!!!

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That is a thing of beauty. Great score!

Reply 51437 of 52714, by dominusprog

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wirerogue wrote on 2024-01-12, 04:17:
i won this on ebay and the seller delivered. and i mean he really delivered. all 50 pounds of it. leading edge winpro 486e, dx2- […]
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i won this on ebay and the seller delivered. and i mean he really delivered. all 50 pounds of it.
leading edge winpro 486e, dx2-66, trident, soundblaster 16 and all the manuals and software.
my first 486. hooray!!!

winpro486e.front.jpg
winpro486e.interior.jpg
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Wow! The seller did a pretty good job cleaning the whole thing.

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Reply 51438 of 52714, by AlessandroB

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The last controller after: 486-1452CF and Pentium 2940U2W. This one fit in the Pentium 2/3 slot1

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Reply 51439 of 52714, by devius

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wirerogue wrote on 2024-01-12, 04:17:

i won this on ebay and the seller delivered. and i mean he really delivered. all 50 pounds of it.
leading edge winpro 486e, dx2-66, trident, soundblaster 16 and all the manuals and software.
my first 486. hooray!!!

The whole set looks amazing! And it even has a quad speed CD-ROM drive!! 😲 Can you imagine how much quicker your games will load?? Wow